puppy haveing reaction to puppy shot - Page 2

OK Het, I have to ask why you are going to tell the owners that they are the reason for the puppy dying?

I use albon/high calorie oil I get from lambriarvet.com Stuff will last forever. Got the information from http://www.beaglesunlimited.net/ go to beagle health and click on coccidiosis, has a generic albon and information on how to treat. Whether mine need it or not, if it's going to show up it seems to around 7 wks old so all my pups get treated no matter what.

hiya first time on board was the puppy wormed just before it went as i had same problem few years ago with a litter of 9 pups the vet thought it was coccidiosis and asked if the pups had got access to bird dung as this brings on coccidiosis if they lick it up of floor then get runs all other pups eat there poops and hence goes through litter like dose of salts but my pups didnt have access after numerous test and 1 pup had intersuception twice it was the wormer that caused the problem but thank god we accted quickly and we saved all 9 but wouldnt like to tellyou the price of the vet bill

Coccidia will most certainly kill a litter because the diarrhea and vomiting is so dehydrating. I have seen it wipe out a whole litter and they were hospitalized with us for fluids... we still lost them. Coccidia also sticks around and is very hardy.... story used to be it was used in nuclear test beds because it was so tough!! Once you have it on your premises, you are very prone to repeating it and many litters there after getting it.... There are many schools of thought about vaccinations... usually do mine around 6 1/2 - 7 weeks since it is now believed mom's immunity lasts longer and then we go every 3 weeks for the series of 4 and then Rabies. Don't know about all the holistic stuff, not comfortable about using it instead of conventional medical practice.... I do not vaccinate adults every year but feel this puppy series is very important.. What type of vaccine did you use?? A call to the mfg might be worth a shot ... maybe a problem with a particular batch??? Good luck with the rest of the little ones..

All the other pups are fine....it is coccidia, she was tested and had a large amount in her system. I do have chickens and shade trees with birds in it so I really do believe that this is the cause. The reason that i am going to let them know that it was thier fault is they did nothing to try and stop the diarea. They waited until the pup was so dehydrated befor they took her to the vet...if they had taken her to the vet after the 2nd or 3rd time of loose/water stool, she would have been treated and been fine. So it was lack of care that this puppy died. If she had stayed here and I saw 2 or more loose stools then she would have been treated. That is what I do. This lady also works in ER so anyone that is in any type of medical feild knows tht a puppy or young child can get dehydrated very quickly...you need to act quickly to stop it. AND if they would hve checked the messages they would have gotten my phone call thta told them to do this. instead they just looked at her and let her die. You can tell the difference in a puppy that is sick and one that just has loose stool. This pup was sick and needed medical care.

Intusseception is actually more common in puppies AFTER vaccinations than one might think! I had this with one of my pups 9 yrs. ago. Gave her a distemper vaccine and she telescoped soon after. My vet was able to fix the problem without surgery (expensive equipement is needed). I don't think it is a lack of care and I personally feel the breeder also contributed to the death of the puppy. You can argue the points all you want but in the end the pup would not have had a problem in the first place if it did not have coccidia. (which by the way , a healthy puppy can fight on its own) NO question for me. I would return thier money and/or give them another puppy.

Coccidia itself is not a fatal condition, it's the side effects it causes that can become fatal. Certainly dehydration being one of those potentially fatal issues in a young puppy.

Sierra, I guess you could blame me for this...but like I said if the puppy had been here she would have been treated. I guess we could blame her mother and father too, because she wasn't able to fite it off. I don't see how you can say tht not taking a sick pup to the vet is not lack of care. I have learned from this...since the chickens are a new thing for us...I didn't even think about them passing it on. I have never had a pup leave here and have this..But I have orderd the albon pills and will send them home with all pups from now on. That way the pup will be treated and we won't have this problem again. Heather

I would be willing to bet that you will have this problem again...Once it's in the the ground, it can stay there for years. The albon is a nice treatment, however, the immune systems of the youngsters will continue to be affected during their weakest developmental stages if you don't move them to a new area. An ounce of prevention...

So would have paid for the treatment of the puppy if they had gone to the vet? I would have. But then maybe I am a different kind of breeder. I also don't believe in giving puppies vaccines before 12 wks. of age and then only single antigen vaccines. I will replace/give money back to any buyer who's pup gets sick with parvo and /or distemper up until 6 months of age. And perhaps yes, one should also look at the dam and sire and what 'genes' they are passing on. I do the same for my sheep as well as dogs/puppies. Just bought a new ram lamb from a breeder who has worked for several years to have parasite resistant sheep/lambs. He culls ANY and ALL that cannot 'make' it without worming. In the end, this whole situation is sad!!! for everyone involved. I feel terrible for the puppy buyers and what they have experienced. Should they have taken the puppy to the vet. Sure, they could have. But you have NO guarentees that this would have saved the puppy. Maybe it was genetically weaker and that is why it died so quickly and could not fight off the coccidia in the first place. I *think* if push came to shove with this and it went to court, you would also be found somewhat liable. Guess my point would be, take some responsibility as well as the breeder and be compassionate. Your comments that the death of the puppy is 'thier' fault because they did not take it to a vet are harsh and inaccurate in my opinion. Both you and they have responsibility in what happened.