Shtal is having imaginary conversation with VK4 - Page 2

GSDtravels wrote: Logic is lost on him, he will never get it, don't bother trying. Logical fallacy: Denying the antecedent Look it up.

What is Logic my dear GSDtravels? Logic talks about principal of reasoning, and has some fundamental elements; for instance, logic is NOT made of matter, logic is universal, and logic does NOT change. Those elements comport with Christian world view and no where else.

And I will ask you GSDtravels, look at the laws of logic, they universal, NOT made of matter, and they do NOT change. Interesting enough the God of scripture is universal, he is NOT made of matter and he does NOT change. And according to your world view, we live in the world that’s ONLY made out of matter, is constantly changing. How do you get universal laws which forbidden contradictions in the world view like that? And that just doesn’t happen.

GSDtravels you believe the laws of logic are man made? So you would have to say man made logic. But what I will ask you if you say man made logic; could a universe have both existed and NOT existed at the same time and in the same way before man showed up? Because it would be depended on what man decides and that’s correct. If man showed up and change the nature of the universe that would be absurd, but if you say no man didn’t change the nature of the universe; then you can’t even know if you exist and that’s absurd too. And if you say man created logic then that means man can continue to create logic, and that’s right, if you say that (you know) man created logic at some point – I can get a whole bunch of Christians together and say that everything that unbeliever says is illogical. If you get enough people to agree on it, then majority say (you know) atheism or “unbelief” is illogical. You wouldn’t accept that, you would say wait a minute…man does NOT make logic; logic must come from somewhere else!

Well, vk's post  ought to batter Shtal into submission - but I have no faith he will even read it,

let alone understand it.

here are the known places so far where the bible contradicts itself, would you like a zoomed in image, logical?

How do you account logic in your world view vk4? Most atheists would say logic exists, so they believe it just exists and here is my answer for you of existence of God then, he just exists.

I’m certain vk4 you would say that you don’t believe God exists but you don’t have absolute knowledge that he doesn’t, so it is possible then vk4 that God exists that you are unaware of. It is possible that God exists and doesn’t fit any of the claims made to you.

My purpose is not to convert anybody, that’s were you are mistaking vk4. I can’t convert anybody. My purpose is to expose your folly unbelief. You see work of conversion is by Holy Spirit, he converts things but the Holy Spirit does NOT add content. Holy Spirit converts people to the truth and if you don’t have a truth vk4 then you can’t be converted to the truth. What I’m doing is speaking the truth so if the Holy Spirit does convert you, you would know the truth. That’s my job, I cannot convert you, and I’m here to speak the truth.

Also, Bible talks about a goats and it talks about sheep. One thing the Bible never says the goats become sheep, but Jesus said my sheep hears my voice, now if you are sheep vk4, that I’m hoping that this words God will use in your conversion but if you are NOT a sheep, you are a goat then what you hear only fatten you for the slaughter. I don’t know what you are and I have no part of what you are. I hope that you are sheep but mostly likely you are NOT, that’s why I do this.

Again vk4, you employ logic and truth? What is truth in your world view? According to your world view what is your truth?

You expose his " folly of non-belief " by starting a thred in which you have an entirely imaginary

conversation with him ?  Surely the folly is your own ?

I'm speaking to him directly now, NOT imaginary LOL

Something to consider VK4 can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.

If VK4 asks why we should obey God, in the last resort the answer is, 'I am.'
To know God is to know that our obedience is due to Him. If God were small enough to be understood, He would not be big enough to be worshiped. There is no neutral ground in the universe: every square inch, every split second, is claimed by God and counterclaimed by Satan.

VK4 complain because God puts thorns on roses, while others praise God for putting roses among thorns. The real attitude of sin in the heart towards God is that of being without God; it is pride, the worship of myself that is the great atheistic fact in human life.

vk, don't you know that you are just being "mean" by pointing out logical fallacies?  Your points never have to be addressed, because they can be dismissed without one single persoan actually addresseing the issues.  When you've pissed off as many people as you have, you know it's because you're right and they've lost the argument.  It's all they have left.  And the funny thing is, thery also think that it's "smart" to simply "disagree" with your entire post.  That's a logical fallacy in its own right!  Of course, they'll never put that disagreement in black and white, tell you why they disagree, those colored buttons evidently distract them.  But they'll tell you that you're being a bully because they have nothing but...

lol I would be willing to bet that even Travels and Hund don't read all of VK's ramblings ! Seriously I thought Gouda and Shtal were the kings of copy and paste! Vk wins the crown!!! 

This type of communication accomplished nothing ! As I said to Moons awhile back ( or maybe he said to me ) a bonfire and a few beers (rum) make for great communication !!!  Too bad Vk is so far from the land * down under* ;) lol  nothing subliminal meant by that lol ,,,I think it would be quite informative !!  btw where is moons!!