What are some of God's characteristics? - Page 3

LF, do what most xians have never done - READ THE BIBLE, ALL OF IT - you will find all the support of my descriptions you want, and i was holding back.

 

so if i start quoting scripture to support my claims you going to engage them or moan about to much evidence shoved in your face and ignore them. or are you going to show yr xian love and threaten to put people in hospital again.

 

 

 Vk, I will play! :) as long as you behave like a gentleman:) 

Lets start with unjust ,,,Please show me scripture that supports that claim.. Or is this just your opinion? 

Vk I am confident that you won't find scripture to support that, so what I am really seeking is for you to tell me in * as little words as possible :)) how you come to this conclusion. 

I'll play

Genesis 9

Genesis 16

Exodus 21

...for starters

ruger not sure what you meant in the as little words as possible, big tasks to condense all the evillness of scripture/god down to a few words other than read the bible - but here is a few random bits to get you started, and yes i have read the despaerate attempts at xian aplogetics writers stealing money from well meaning xians to try make these types of things to appear as not what they are, and yes the some 20 000 odd different interpretations in all the different religions from the same book...anyhoo, was that gentlemenly enough for you, here is some to get you started;

God now commands that all women must have health hazardous labors for Eve ate the fruit. In no way shape or form is it just that I must pay for the sins of my ancestors. Genesis 3:16

God caused sibling rivalry by favoring Abel over Cain, with absolutely no attempt at justification.  This act of favoritism led to Abel’s death.  Genesis 4:3-5

Genesis 7:23 He killed, intentionally, every man, woman, and child on the planet save eight of them.

God commands Hagar go back into servanthood and bear children for her master though she does not want to.  Genesis 16:7-9

Genesis 19:23-25 God burns down a whole city (women and children included) simply because they were supposedly homosexual.

Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and that the Lord slew him.  How was Er wicked? The Bible doesn’t give us this bit of information, only that Er was wicked in the sight of the Lord.  Genesis 38:7

Genesis 38:10 God murders Onan for refusing to commit incest with his sister in law.

Exodus 12:29 God repeatedly tells Moses exactly what calamity he will next visit upon the Egyptians if the Pharaoh does not allow the Israelites to be set free from slavery.  Then he tells Moses (also repeatedly) that he will harden Pharaoh’s heart, so that he will refuse to allow the Israelites to go, thus bringing a calamity upon his own people, as well as showing him the awesome power of the Israelites’ Lord.  This occurs over and over, bringing calamity upon calamity upon the Egyptian people.  What is troubling about this verse is that when god “hardens the pharaoh’s heart” he is interfering with the Pharaoh’s free will and ultimately bringing punishment on the Egyptians for something they are not responsible for.  As a final punishment god decides to kill all the first born of Egypt.  The lord reduced himself to murdering innocent kids when he could have simply freed the Israelites himself with his “omnipotent” power.

God punishes children for the sins of their fathers, unto the third and fourth generations.  Punishing a child for the sins of their ancestors is not very just. Exodus 20:5&34:7

God endorses slavery. He even set up laws as to how slavery was to be carried out, and goes as far as Okaying beating them.  Exodus 21:2-6

God sanctioned the selling of ones daughter.  How can any being tell another to literally sell their child into slavery?  Disgusting!  Exodus 21:7

Exodus 22:18  God orders the death of witches, sorceresses and anyone who practices magic.  Sadly enough, this verse was justification for the Inquisition.

Exodus 32:27 God ordered to be killed, 3,000 Israelites for no greater crime than worshipping a golden calf.  I don’t know about you but death is a pretty harsh fucking punishment.

Leviticus 20:9-10 God commands death for cursing out ones parents and death for adultery.  Gee, with these types of laws the population should be almost nil by now.

Once again god is a homophobe, or at the very least, a bigot.  Leviticus 20:13

Handicapped people must not approach the altar.  Leviticus 21:16-23

Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shill ye eat.”

Leviticus 27:28-29 God ordered and allowed human sacrifices.

Numbers 16:27 God buries alive Korah and his family.

Numbers 16:35 God killed 250 Levite princes who disagreed with Moses’ leadership. He was so bloodthirsty that he wanted to slay more until he was talked out of it.  Later he put a plague upon 14,700 Jews who thought there was something wrong in killing 250 princes.

Numbers 21:1-3 God utterly destroyed the Canaanites at Hormah as a favor to the Jews.

Numbers 21:27-35 God abetted Moses in utterly destroying the Amorites at Heshbon - “…the men, the women, and the little ones.”

Numbers 31:17-18 God commands Moses to kill all the Medianite people including children and women.  To top it off he commands that the virgins be saved for later raping by Moses’ soldiers.

Deuteronomy 3:3-7 God ordered Moses’ army to “utterly destroy” 60 cities, killing all the women and children within!

Deuteronomy 7:12 God ordered the Israelites to kill all the people of seven nations.  He even adds, “show no mercy unto them”.

Deuteronomy 20:16 God orders that we kill everything that breathes in the cities that he gives us for an inheritance

A bastard can’t attend church “even to his tenth generation.” As if denying an innocent child rights to worship isn’t cruel. Deuteronomy 23:2

Vk,, Thank you for the gentlemanly  reply:) I read all of your above post, but none of the above proves God is unjust. How God chooses to deal with His creation is His prerogative. All humankind are born with an inherited sinful disposition refered to as original sin ( I assume you are no stranger to this theology ) We all are deserving of Gods judgement and His wrath, yet He chooses to show mercy to some. I see it the opposite of you. I see God being terribly just in that He does in fact punish sin and administer judgement towards some, but more often then not He shows great mercy and forbearance with many. 

All of this has been debated on a dozen other threads. I will look for them and post what I find. One thing is certain, you can give no example that will prove God to be unjust. In light of original sin we can only say God is not only just, but full of mercy,,,,,

 

 

VK4 wrote: As a final punishment god decides to kill all the first born of Egypt.  The lord reduced himself to murdering innocent kids when he could have simply freed the Israelites himself with his “omnipotent” power.

 

I'm not going to go with you every verse and chapter, but to be fair I just randomly selected one of your remarks. You are assuming the standard of Goodness! This is Good and innocent. You are borrowing on Christian world view to argue against it. First of all, God is good and he is standard of goodness. And in the Christian world view it doesn’t even make sense to say God isn’t good. God he is good as he can be because he is fully God. God defines what good is but for the sake of argument “Apart from God how can you determine what is good and who is “innocent’?”

"You are borrowing on Christian world view to argue against it. "

actually i was not arguing anything i was providing examples as asked of an unjust god, you thionk these acts are just and moral?

 

"First of all, God is good and he is standard of goodness."

does not appear to be so but then you may hhave some twisted morals

And in the Christian world view it doesn’t even make sense to say God isn’t good.

that's why i don't suscribe to it, it is too evil.

God he is good as he can be

which is not very good, in fact it is really, really bad, not a good god at all.

because he is fully God.

because god is fully evil

God defines what good is

no he defines evil and is evil clearly

“Apart from God how can you determine what is good and who is “innocent’?”

well i don't define god as good, no normal person would

admit i haven'e read all these but legal/moral codes pre-exist the bible, here are some famous ones;

The following is a list of ancient legal codes in alphabetical order:

• Code of Urukagina (2,380-2,360 BC)
• Cuneiform law (2,350-1,400 BC)
• Code of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (ca. 2050 BC)
• Laws of Eshnunna (ca. 1930 BC)^[1]
• Codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (ca. 1870 BC)^[2]
• Babylonian laws / Code of Hammurabi (ca. 1790 BC)
• Hittite laws (ca. 1650–1100 BC)
• Code of the Nesilim (c. 1650-1500 BC)
• Assyrian laws / Code of the Assura (c. 1075 BC)

• Law of Moses / Torah (9th-5th century BC)
• The Draconian constitution (7th century BC)
• Gortyn code (5th century BC)
• Twelve Tables of Roman Law (451 BC)
• Law of Manu (ca. 200 BC)
• Tang Code (624 to 637 CE)
• Halakha (Jewish religious law, including biblical law and later talmudic and rabbinic law, as well as customs and traditions)
• Traditional Chinese law
• The Gentoo Code

 

VK4 wrote: well i don't define god as good,

 

That's not what my question was?

Shtal is it just the fear of hell that stops you shoving gerbils in your own ass?