Second session - Page 3

Joan, in the second session?
They are working in prey only, they are trying to make the dog feel well, it´s the beginning of a long road.
VK, you are kidding.
The session is too long, that´s right, but there are humans training, they want to do their best for the clip, and they are training only once a week - no camera, less training...

Would I do something different? Sure, but : 2 handlers = 3 opinions.

Maybe I think somewhat different, because in our club ( still saying "our", although I´m not active any more ) the helpers are not paid, they do have regular jobs, and we use(d) to train at least 6 days the week with 8 trials every year ( plus breed survey and show ), the handlers trialing several dogs within one year from BH to IPO3.
In this scenario there is not one helper, but 3 or 4, otherwise it´s not possible, but the dogs are able to get it, some of them made it to the Regionals, some of them needed one helper all the time, naturally the handlers looking for certain goals have to specialize at one point of training.

What do I want to say?
Training isn´t always perfect, neither the dogs are perfect nor the handlers or helpers, but as long as everybody involved doesn´t harm the dog there will be success.sooner or later.

Thank you for the weather forecast, gouda - hang around here, it´s fun - and take care of your wife, she got a lot of fans!
 

Helpers get paid here, Susie, when they do training with individuals. I have paid helpers to come to my place as much as $300 per session to work five dogs. The best helper I only had, I only had to pay $150 per session and also traded my training one of his dogs for helper sessions. But I would not use some other helpers again after only one time.....
Anyway, allowing the dog to strike IS working in prey. Feeding the tug is....feeding the tug. Anyway, I guess its all in what one hopes accomplish in the end. Accepting the practice of feeding the tug, I guess is why one sees so many helpers jam the sleeve back into the dog's mouth on the escape. Whatever. It is what it is.

Here is the other trainer,they are a man a husband and wife team

The puppy in this clip is 13 weeks old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUuZuHib4GA&feature=youtu.be

  John  {gouda}

"P.S  VK4  THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENT ON MY WIFE."

 

so glad you took it the way it was meant.....as a compliment, never know which way things are going to go with you.

Joan, TY.  I get it. 

In regards to the first video,

This is protection work?

I see many mistakes in the video.

Most obvious is the helper giving mixed signals, first kicking at the dog and then petting it, makes no sense.

The line between the harness and the post has no give, another problem .

In the beginning stages the only person who should be present is the aggitator, the owner/handler should not be involved at this point.

Nice looking dog, but the trainer knows nothing about training protection.

The dog is having a good time either way, it knows it's only another stupid human game to play.

It's all for show so far.

The second video shows progress but too much focus is based on the treat (reward) and this should be scaled back before the dog gets dependant on them.