VA sizes in cm - Page 1

this should be interesting.

You can be absolutely certain that most VA males are over 65 cms. and most VA females are over 60 cms.

most years if not every year,  there have been VA males and even Siegers that are much close to 70 cms than 65 cms.

Most years if not every year VA females are also nearer 65 than 60 cms.

We need the WUSV meeting in September, following the 2008 Sieger Show, to pass the following motions;  WUSV Clubs around the World should  adopt these motions and send them to the SV for inclusion on the WUSV AGENDA.

1) raise the breed standard  height to withers by 1cm - with immediate effect.

2) raise the allowance above the breed standard height to 2cms for Korklasse 2 grading - with immediate effect

3) Amend the Korung rules to allow an appeal or challeng to a Kormasters decision on the height to withers of any dog as written in its Korung, A fee of 100 Euros to accompany any appeal or challenge, payable to the SV. In the event that an appeal is successful, the 100 Euros is refunded. TO BE INTRODUCED IN 4 OR 5 YEARS.

My suggestion is NOT at odds with the reality of the Sieger Show for the past umpteen years.

If "CONNECTED" an owner can get away with 68+ and get VA grade, and even Sieger.

Similarly for females, 63+ and get VA grade, and even Siegerin.

the following RULE would change that:

3) Amend the Korung rules to allow an appeal or challeng to a Kormasters decision on the height to withers of any dog as written in its Korung, A fee of 100 Euros to accompany any appeal or challenge, payable to the SV. In the event that an appeal is successful, the 100 Euros is refunded. TO BE INTRODUCED IN 4 OR 5 YEARS. and if a Kormeister is found to regularly or routinely flout the accurate measuring of height to wither, then he is appropriately diciplined by the SV.

The above RULE is vital in order to effectively & fairly control our breed standard height to withers, and to significantly reduce "NO CONNECTION = NO CHANCE" which is prevalent in Germany, and which causes huge disillusionment leading to many leaving the breed, and not renewing their SV membership.

I cannot suggest changes for ALL aspects of our breed, to satisfy EVERYONE, but identifying KEY issues and tackling them make PROGRESS.

Working Dogs can maintain their optimum size for their function, but lets NOT pretend that Show/conformation Dogs are the same or look the same.

Speaknow, the thread is about height so Videx addressed that, I seriously doubt those few points is all that will be discussed in the meeting.

I am curious about the raising of the height standard as well, and personally would be disappointed to see an increase in the standard size come to pass.

However, someone has to put a stop to "creative measuring" and I applaud anyone who tries. Speaknow, I agree with what you said about there being other "discontents" aside from incorrect height, but they have to start somewhere, do they not?

Speaknow   Very well put.

I agree with Videx suggestions. Simply because in a ring it is the bigger dog that catches the eye of ANY judge. Secondly it is too late now to enforce the correct height standard. And I say too late because a lot of oversized dogs have already won top placements and on the other hand are now vulnerable to judging discretion.I.e. a Vorzuglich rated dog that has Kkl 1 for life and signed by the vice president of the S.V. has been kicked out the arena because the judge(top S.V. judje,also judged in 2007 siegershow) thought she was too tall. All these because the opposition treated the judge with due "respect" the night before the show. So yes Videx is absolutely correct. If champion Ice had his Korung signed for life by the president of the S.V. he could be very well be likely to be thrown out by some other judge trying to enforce the correct height rule. And my question is: Do we give them judges mor weapons to do their dirty tricks? If they have a measure in their hands everytime they go judging is like they have the absolute authority to do as they please, and they would be throwing all Kkl certificates in the bin.