witch makes a better protection dog sl or wl ? - Page 4

Make mine either a Sig P226 or Glock G22. 



I will say that after seeing literally dozens of people shot, I've never seen anyone walk away from a .45.
You need to get out more, people walk away from 45s all the time.

Shot placement > Caliber.  Every time.


I have seen people walk away from 9 MM rounds on many occasions.
Of course shot placement is critical, but not as critical with a 45. It's hard to walk with a shattered femure or hip.

Poor Shot placement and poor FMJ ammo is likely the culprit.
Youre talking millimeters in diameter in 9mm vs 45acp- (11.43mm). Very negligible.  And a slower bullet with a 45.
In FMJ ammo, 45 is clearly better.  But with good Hollwpoints, such as todays ammo manufacturers, a 9 is fine.
If someone wants to test the effectiveness of a 9mm, theyre welcome to stand in front of my Sig P226 9mm.
Also surprised no one like the Tokarev in 7.62x25.. Bullet Goes through kevlar like a knife through butter. Russian gun,very reliable and cheap to shoot, 1911 design.
 

Real world shootings say this,  with Hundreds of real law enforcement shooting encounters:
http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=0

9mm= 91% 1 Shot Stops in 200 shootings, Federal ammo. 
9mm= 88% with Speer ammo.
357 Magnum=96%
45 acp= 92-96% (depending on load
40 = 94%

All data taken from Evan Marshall and Ed Sanow's book:
Stopping Power: A Practical Analysis of the Latest Handgun Ammunition

Maybe she doesn´t like guns.

I have to agree with Uglydog on this one... You can have a hand cannon, but it won't do you a bit of good if you can't hit what you are aiming at. Even most people that are recreational shooters do not practice drills that require a draw, any type of movement, or anything that might get your adrenaline going. I have seen people that are really good marksmen from a stagnant, ready position, but when they are asked to simply raise the gun from their side, they are shooting the ground 6 feet in front of the target. And in life and death home invasion situation, your adrenaline will be going. For home defense, I prefer my pistol grip Winchester 1300 defender... 8 rounds of alternating 00 buck and deer slugs.

I too, however, am a fan HK, and the HK USP 40 in particular... Thirteen in the magazine, one in the pipe, and never a single malfunction in 16 years of ownership.

cage...you may be right..I should not let her shoot the gun if she is so skittish...LOL

You should put her on Saturday Night Live if she is "skittish"

Since drawing from the holster was brought up, how many of you are using the Blackhawk holster.

Safariland.

Well the Blackhawk is nice. It locks once the gun is placed and there is another lock on top. When you go to draw, it is one motion with your index and thumb on two seperate releases while your middle, ring and pinkie are already in place. Much faster and it is harder for someone to take your weapon. The concealed holster is almost the same without a thumb release. I recommend you check it out.

Very different for anyone that is accustomed to the Glock22.
Glock 22,  is over 60% of the US Police Market.. a Fine gun, as is the Sig and HK.  40 cal is a good caliber.



A lot of my friends that are in different departments are all vacating the 9mm.
Over penetration and bias. 
The infamous Miami Shootout threw a monkey wrench at the 9mm, and not the poor shooters (FBI)
The 9 is fine, but Im a fan of the 40 also.  A nice compromise but hardly any noticeable difference ballistically.
Navy Seals use 9mm Sig P226 as do many US Government departments.

This illustrates my point.
(Note: 10mm was put on as a joke however and isnt reflective.)