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by GSDNewbie on 20 February 2014 - 17:02
You need an experienced hands on trainer. Just telling others what you saw may not be enough of the situation or an experienced trainer may see somthing else that is really going on. Online solutions for things like this just cant be a fix all. This is not an issue you want to aggrivate trying to solve without experience if you want her to be a dog to be out in social settings and this is going on.
by Sunsilver on 20 February 2014 - 17:02
No matter what the cause, the fix is to teach her she MUST, at all costs, ignore the other dog! If she's not listening to you, you don't have complete control of her, and a fight may result.
by Jeffs on 20 February 2014 - 17:02
I would lose the choke collar and go with a prong. Having to keep the line tight with the choke isn't helping matters.
If she gets along with other dogs, maybe it's just the one. Maybe it's the way the other dog is looking at her. Maybe the other dog's body language is talking major trash.
If she gets along with other dogs, maybe it's just the one. Maybe it's the way the other dog is looking at her. Maybe the other dog's body language is talking major trash.
by melba on 20 February 2014 - 21:02
For what its worth, you can still compete with a dog aggressive dog. That is where training comes in. Ask me how I can say this with 100% certainty? Because I live this... 6 yr old male despises other males, neutered or not. Has BH AD AKC CD so far. IMO you need more then a half check collar. My boy has been taught that under NO circumstances (save for putting himself in between stray dog and kids) is that behavior acceptable. I do not ask him to socialize with other males, he DOES however have to listen and ignore them.
I would work desensitizing her at a distance. Find her threshold, back off a tad and work there for a while.
Melissa
I would work desensitizing her at a distance. Find her threshold, back off a tad and work there for a while.
Melissa
by Hundmutter on 20 February 2014 - 23:02
Agree with Sunsilver; if this is a case of her dragging you around
when she sees another dog to swear at, she is not walking to heel
in a controlled manner - and you will need this in the competition
ring.
If she is reacting to having been bullied (and sometimes that is so
subtle, humans miss seeing it happening !), whether by the big brute
next door or by your older bitch, then Joanro's advice is good and
should result in improved control. And yes I too would experiment
with alternative collars / headcollars. I'm a confirmed user of half-
check and flat collars, but it is a case of not everything suiting all
dogs; always try different tools, just cos maybe your other dogs don't
need them, this girl might surprise you by reacting super-well to a new
restraint.
It is sometimes a genetic thing, however not always a predictable one.
The bitch who starts this behaviour after her first season is far from
uncommon. Nonetheless, the fact she may have been born with this as
a hormonal reaction does not preclude her [or you] from learning to deal
with it, in both the sense of establishing a proper pack leadership position
and in terms of obedience control. Best of luck.
when she sees another dog to swear at, she is not walking to heel
in a controlled manner - and you will need this in the competition
ring.
If she is reacting to having been bullied (and sometimes that is so
subtle, humans miss seeing it happening !), whether by the big brute
next door or by your older bitch, then Joanro's advice is good and
should result in improved control. And yes I too would experiment
with alternative collars / headcollars. I'm a confirmed user of half-
check and flat collars, but it is a case of not everything suiting all
dogs; always try different tools, just cos maybe your other dogs don't
need them, this girl might surprise you by reacting super-well to a new
restraint.
It is sometimes a genetic thing, however not always a predictable one.
The bitch who starts this behaviour after her first season is far from
uncommon. Nonetheless, the fact she may have been born with this as
a hormonal reaction does not preclude her [or you] from learning to deal
with it, in both the sense of establishing a proper pack leadership position
and in terms of obedience control. Best of luck.
by Runag on 20 February 2014 - 23:02
Thanks everyone for all the sound advice - I will report back in a few weeks hopefully with good results! :)
by ChrissieT on 21 February 2014 - 19:02
by ChrissieT on 21 February 2014 - 19:02
Hi,
You could compete with a dog aggressive dog, but sounds more hormonal to me. I competed with my male GSD in obedience, and he was alway so relaxed around other dogs as long as they did not invade his space. To the point when if there were incidents in a ring next to him, or in the stay ring, he would not get involved. But he was taught to ignore dogs, CALMLY and QUIETLY. If you use aggression to reduce aggression, it will only escalate. Figure of eight headcollars are brill for this, I find. And I know alot of people on here disagree with them, but used correctly, I have had lots of success with movement reactive dogs. Petneeds sell them, on the net, in the UK, as I believe that is where you are based.
You could compete with a dog aggressive dog, but sounds more hormonal to me. I competed with my male GSD in obedience, and he was alway so relaxed around other dogs as long as they did not invade his space. To the point when if there were incidents in a ring next to him, or in the stay ring, he would not get involved. But he was taught to ignore dogs, CALMLY and QUIETLY. If you use aggression to reduce aggression, it will only escalate. Figure of eight headcollars are brill for this, I find. And I know alot of people on here disagree with them, but used correctly, I have had lots of success with movement reactive dogs. Petneeds sell them, on the net, in the UK, as I believe that is where you are based.
by panzertoo on 21 February 2014 - 23:02
yes its a genetic predisposition and often has nothing to do with enviroment beyond situtions that cause it to manifest, basicly beget beget beget!! I am getting a dog aggressive Pit mix for training tomorrow you should follow along on youtube to see the results it alllegedly is kept isolated due to grabbing other dogs by the jugular ...I said lovely can't wait! laced with sarcasm of course!
by Hundmutter on 22 February 2014 - 10:02
I am sure Panzertoo has a point about the genetics being
carelessly passed on through overbreeding (although we
don't know how or who by your young bitch was bred, Runag,
so maybe we ought not to sling that accusation around too
freely !) - but I should point out: when I said I have known a
lot of bitches with the problem, they were not all Shepherds,
indeed they were not all from backgrounds where there was
any planned or repetitive breeding !
carelessly passed on through overbreeding (although we
don't know how or who by your young bitch was bred, Runag,
so maybe we ought not to sling that accusation around too
freely !) - but I should point out: when I said I have known a
lot of bitches with the problem, they were not all Shepherds,
indeed they were not all from backgrounds where there was
any planned or repetitive breeding !
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