Sport to LE? Who's done this? - Page 26

Vito, your video of Gazze von deer kleine I jus watched....awesome dog!!!
Huge fight drive, solid grips, fights the decoy instead of the decoy needing to make moves to keep the dog engaged as with Donna bitch.
Gazze targets equally solid on left or right arm, leaves rooster trail attempting to stop the decoy on escape .. no matter the ground surface.
Long bite is powerful, follows through like a rocket, never a second thought....determination to dominate the decoy evedent in expression and body language!
Carries the sleeve calmly....no munching the sleeve ever.. no anxiety when the handler approaches



Super nice powerful dog!!!
( Opposite of what I see in donna)

Joanro, I don’t know if that’s how they test for LE.  I use a different way.   I was just pointing out the grip I saw on the sleeve.  Often a dog is mouthy just before the out.  You see this a good bit (not saying they use it, but it’s how I was taught) when  TTHOM (take their head off method) is used for teaching the out.

When I would go out to test a dog for LE, I want to make the dog feel as vulnerable as possible.  I want him to think that he has been put in the wrong place, at the wrong time and now his worse nightmare is coming true.  There is no eye candy (sleeve, suit, etc), whip cracking, noise making, prey movement and certainly no signs of hesitation or uncertainty on my part, etc.  I want every part of this dog to think the best possible outcome and chance for him to live another day is for him to get the hell out of dodge or show even the slightest indication that’s his intention.   Just one sign is all I want.  Any sign of weakness and we’re done.  I am not there to run this dog, so once he shows or even makes me think he’s considering it, I stop and will immediately back down and leave the area.  Many will go on to make good police dogs.  I just like a certain kind of dog.

Mother nature has given him four legs with good speed and the instinct to use them to escape danger.  But sometimes when the stars line up, you find him.  You find that dog that takes that threat, no matter how great, no matter how vulnerable the situation and he stares back and you and says, come and get it 8itch.  And despite of how great the threat you present, he doent see it.  All he sees is somebody is in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and their worse nightmare is about to come true and so is his sweetest dreams.  And when you find this you feel it, you know. Especially once you have seen these dogs on the real bite and how quickly they convince the toughest gangsa thug that jail may not be such a bad idea.  You put yourself in front of this type of dog, and there’s always that little part inside of you that thinks, please God don’t let him get loose.  Of course you never want him to sense that.  And there’s also that part, especially when you are less than a foot from those jaws slapping together hoping to rip you a new @ss where you try not to smile.  You found him and you thank the stars in the skies.     

He can come from the IPO, KNPV, etc, or he may barely been leash broken and just minutes before you watch from a distance as he rolled around trying to get the collar off.  But somewhere behind him, from mom or dad, grandpa, great grandma, who knows, somebody gifted him with an abundance of natural aggression (aggressor in the fight) that overrides mother nature knowing best.  Rare indeed, but one hell of a police dog.

I hate to break it to some of you, but a super civil dog can still get fixated and focused on equipment. Especially if they train regularly. Dogs know when you're putting on your much boots that a track is coming. Put on the harness, etc. It is time for protection. Just because a dog is civil doesn't mean it will run over and bite the judge instead of grabbing the dumbbell.

My last dog was probably the most civil dog I have had for Sport. Sure, he bit a few people that didn't respect that and hid the sleeve, etc. But he knew the game and played by the rules. He loved it. Different dogs get worked in different ways. I like to balance a dog out, especially since my focus is on "Sport", right?

Yes, correct, a civil dog does not mean he will bite the judge.. it was a dumb scenario pragre put out there that he could stand a guy with a sleeve and one without, and the puppy would go for the guy with the sleeve! Of course he will! That is what he is being trained to do when training for a sport title! Here is my dog, a very civil dog that I did some different stuff with while I was training him for sch. I had released him two hundred yards from where the decoy was...I had him out of sight behind the gator up on the hill, after the decoy pissed him off and gave the decoy time to " hide" ...I had no idea where he was. A spotter signaled me when the decoy signaled he was set. I released my dog with a sic'em command. He took off from the gator, nose to the ground, following. The fresh scent of the decoy. As he barreled down the power lines he suddenly snapped back and headed up the side hill.....the decoy was six feet up in a tree, and here is what the spotter captured on camera....

 

 

 

 

LE IS NOT ONLY BITEWORK over 80 percent LE  today is tracking and detection nobody on this forum care about this only discussion about bitework,,,, many sportdogs will also fail in LE tracking and detection,example worse drives and and worse nerves can be BIG a problem when they go out of there sport routin...



Over 10000 KNPV over those years are send to police/military departments worldwide dual and single purpose
so for most KNPV sport dogs is not any problem going/switch to sport until LE.

Just as in sport there is some different in quality not all good LE K9 dogs will match with all LE handlers,

What I see the quality from LE handlers will get lower by selection from departments and many powerfull drive, hard and tough ,charcatar dogs will not match with this handlers  they can,t control them so they look for an other typ of dog.

Today is much easier to sell a crazy ball /metal  apport dog than a tough dificult charactar dog who don,t care about toys
 

 

 

BM pfff, what to say, when discussing bitework, most of times bitework is topic of discussion, not searching,

And for KNPV same goes as for any other sport, the dogs 15 plus years where different than today, generally speaking, many KNPV handlers dont want strong and or sharp dog these days anymore

NO the market from LE departments is CHANGED they look more  for ball ( or metal)junkie crazy and SOCIAL  dogs , in the old days this was different....20 years ago there was an other typ of police dog here in Holland than that dogs today...

 

And yes if the market is change handlers will also  change ...
 

oh, so sport didnt change ? for your info, many LE people still want strong and sharp dogs, only they are harder to find nowadays, so that market is still there, why did supply dry up ?

 

MMM no I don,t think maybe for FCI GSD /// for X malinois-DS its for me easy to find this dogs
not all of them are destroyed ....thanks god but thats an other discussion

and I don,t think the market for tough characater dog is bigger than ball/food handler crazys easy to please dogs thats for  sure because perfection point dogs podium dogs most of handlers went this dogs

NOT DIFFICULT HARD  SHARP or dogs who going to fight with handlers

 

LOL please find me 30 a month, not talking about buying your next puppie, once a year