Letter from Dr. Heinrich of the WUSV - Page 16

I have no problem acknowledging Mr Les's superiority of the English language

I take issue in Mr Les's "superiortity"... I think his educational achievements are...Cute (North American informal meaning - clever or cunning, especially in a self-seeking or superficial way.) it is pedantic to try a flaunt education degrees on this particular forum topic, it is as meaningless as if one tried to equate their: yearly salary; investment portfolio; or size of their bank accounts to use as leverage and bolster ones agenda.

That's why I am so surprised that folks have continued to engage the parts of his posts that are not related to dogs. Just ignore!

[Bavarian Wagon] 31.8.2016 - 19:08

● "lovely contract and guarantee..."If my pup is a show-male, I further guarantee that I will not breed more than 1 litter from him before having an official (NZVA or BVA or GSDCAustralia) Hip Score and Elbow Score available, and I will not stand him at public stud until he has gained Breed Survey Classification.”"
Link us to YOUR web-site and contract. It must be SUPERB!
You being such a newbie, you won't have found that many breeders LIKE to have a male pup meet a bitch-on-heat before he reaches 12 months (the universal age for xray certification everywhere except the USA).  It also gives the stud owner a chance to see whether the dog produces mainly good or mainly bad parts of his ancestry - which makes a difference as to whether there is any point in spending the BIG money needed to compete across borders.

● "Hey…at least they can only do one breeding before getting hips/elbows tested…that definitely helps the breed!"
Sure does - especially in places such as the USA where there are people who don't go out to work to earn money to support their beloved dogs - they prefer to stay home and make their dogs support them. And it is SO easy when the registration body doesn't require people to register a kennel name before they start breeding.
Compare AKC's requirements with NZKC's:
http://www.nzkc.org.nz/pdf/regulations/registration_regs.pdf
The parts to especially check are
▪ Outline of Process
▪ Rule 6.5
▪ all of 8. LITTER NOTIFICATION
▪ Rule 9.3
▪ all of 11. KENNEL NAMES (Prefixes and Suffixes).

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This back and forth with you two stops now or you will both be on a T/O. It has become ridiculous and all these very long posts with very little to do with the title of the thread or dogs for that matter are also extremely boring.

Les this is not " This is your life" so quit with the life stories and also correcting every little mistake members make!!! We have read it all so so many times now!!

Really don't want to have to edit all these long posts but I will if I have to, so save me some work and stick to just giving replies that pertain to the thread.

[susie] 31.8.2016 - 19:08
 

● "As far as I realized the people commenting on this thread are used to the word "title", and as far as I was able to check, all the English speaking IPO training/breeding clubs officially use the word "title", too."
Quite likely - I keep coming across that misuse from DogSport people. And we know that AKC uses that misuse - but we also know that Yanks long ago gave up speaking & writing actual English.
I discovered a day or so ago that Germans, as of the Weimar Republic, began placing genuine titles sometimes in front, sometimes after, the person's name. But the examples used by that scholar indicated that when the title was a prefix it was a straight title, such as "Duke Ferdinand", but when the title was a suffix it was more of a description, such as "Ferdinand, Duke of Grafrath".
It was NOT calling QUALIFICATIONS "titles".

● "IPO TITLES ( QUALIFICATIONS ) originally are German"
Check/Source that, please. My impression is that the IPO was concocted by the Belgians (possibly to avoid copying the SV), but I never bothered checking that. Before the IPO there was the German SchH, and before that, back in about 1902 or '03, the GSD Club of Switzerland (SC) created its "character test". But I don't yet know what the Swiss test was called and what it consisted of.

● "in Germany we call a cell phone "handy", ridiculous for a native English speaker, but that´s what it is called in my country. Wrong? No! That´s our GERMAN word for cell phone...)"
Why ridiculous? Boys my age were raised with various "doggerel" versions of German, such as "Hände hoch = Hands high or Hands up".


● "that´s not behaving like a "sportsman" ( I forgot, he isn´t )."
Dead right I'm not! "Good sportsmen" clap when an inferior pooch gets placed at or near the head of the class - might even congratulate the owner. I don't. Nor am I like those ring-siders who booed on the couple of occasions when a limping stud was moved up to become VizeSieger, because his PROGENY had proved to the judge that he had EARNED that title and because a limp from an injury has NOTHING to do with his genetics.
I wait until the inferior judge has finished, then ask him WHY he (or she) did what he did. On one occasion, back when NZ's best GSDs were sables, an Ozzie judge placed every sable last - unless he placed another sable behind it. I wasn't there as a competitor, just as a spectator, but I collected 5 or 6 quality sables from friends and asked the judge what he had against sables. His answer floored me: "Nothing - I placed one Best Of Breed." What he'd placed BOB was a bitch whose pedigree started with a pale tan-point sister of my tan-point brood and who had been mated to tan-point litter-brothers of the studs I'd used. NO POSSIBILITY of her being a sable. She was born a tan-point and had undergone severe black-loss. I guess the judge thought that our sables were "blues" or brindles or some such...


[Bavarian Wagon] on 31 August 2016 - 19:08

● "My apologies that your country is your ultimate pride."
???

● "I value a lot more things that I have a lot more control over than the country I'm from."
Which is, of course, why you don't LIVE there, even though you are old enough to decide for yourself where you wish to live.

● "The fact is...countries will limited breeders, limited training/trialing options, are ultimately greatly behind the 8 ball when it comes to consistently producing well-bred and TO STANDARD German Shepherd Dogs or ANY BREED for that matter."
On your thinking, we have to believe that the German-bred and NAmerican-bred Dobermanns, GSDs, Great Danes. Poodles, Rottweilers are "well-bred and TO STANDARD".
I decline to believe that this double VA is typical of the GSD breed:
http://pic.pedigreedatabase.com/gallerypictures/thumb_87172.jpg
(you'll need to enlarge the image considerably, because of the process needed to make it harder for the noseys to identify him by name - a dog that was rumoured to be coming to the breeder of my first NZKC-registered GSD, but fortunately he DIDN'T - she already has a BSZS VA bitch that, the only time she was shown in NZ, Norbert Wettlaufer (SV Ger) placed only 7th in a class of Ex.1 to Ex.8, and stated that he knew who she was but she was OVERsize) - yet his gradings show that he IS sadly typical of this millennium's output in Germany.
BTW - as you rant about small nations not having the breeders and bloodlines to produce typical GSDs: Triple VA Schiwa (2 at BSZSs, 1 in Nederland) was in a class where all 8 were NZ-breds by studs in NZ, and had NZ-bred broods. The studs of the rest of that class. in the order their daughters placed, were:
1: Troy Noriswand (Imp.Ger), 2: Gayville's Ricardo (Imp.UK), 3: Philipp neuen Hauffstraße (Imp.Ger), 4: Oakway Quiz Master, 5: Troy Noriswand (Imp.Ger), 6: Holandra Laios, 8: Oakway Quiz Master.

The GSD breed is FAR better represented by this AMERICAN-bred GSD
http://www.german-shepherdherding.com/nickny.jpg
who, until retirement, worked sheep in the Catskills:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=540202-alf-von-fafnerhaus

[Swarnendu] 31.8.2016 - 20:08

● "GSD is a very young breed. So, don't yet give the final verdict."
"young" only because there were NO 'breeds' before the foundation of The KC (UK) in April 1873.

 

Before there there were TYPES based on FUNCTIONS.
In 1859 the world's first dog show was held at Newcastle-on-Tyne. It was a social affair held by English aristocrats to raise funds for charity, with classes for Pointers & Setters only.

However, when it comes to tracing various types/functions back, we don't wait for 1899 when Max von Stephanitz & Artur Meyer founded Verein für Deutsche Schäferhund (SV) on 22 April.
At that stage there were almost as many "types" of sheep dog as there are German valleys where sheep are farmed.
Before that, the German Phylax Society formed on 16 December 1891 as this breed's first club; but it disbanded in 1894.
Before that, German Sheepdogs were first shown at the 1982 Hanover Show.
Before THAT...
Circa 550± AD a domestic dog was buried in Bonn-Oberkassel, Germany. The well-preserved lower jaw & teeth suggest a small sheep dog. These 14,000 years old burial remains are the earliest evidence of a domesticated dog. But dog-like remains 31,000 years old were found in Belgium, and 15,000 years old in western Russia. The earliest evidence for cat domestication is only around 8,000-9,500 years ago
So you could say that the pooch we call DS or GSD (and some persist in calling Alsatian) effectively began 14,000 years ago - far from "new", except for the breed-name!

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Les, I will continue to edit your posts for inappropriate comments. 

 

Removed original comment as it was very much off topic, once again.  And since you are ignoring evey warning from moderators and appear to be unable to stick to the topic, this thread is now locked.

You have been allowed to babble on for too long.

 

mrdarcy (mod)

Les I just can't understand how you with allll your knowledge are the only one out of the hundred of thousands of members cannot figure out how to post on this site without all the problems you have.  So will you quit complaining about this system it does not make you look to smart, and all are tired of hearing you complain.

Just so you know when I edit I save myself a lot of work and time I just remove everything. 

I do not have the work ethic that Mrdarcy and GSD Heritage have so you better learn to post by the rules or just learn how to use this system.