Raw Feeding and Salmonella ??? - Page 3

JustLurkin, I have fed raw and also have a degree in Biology, minor in Chemistry and Post graduate work in Microbiology as well as Hospital Lab experience with pathogenic bacteria.

If you want access to more information as I mentioned, you can google it.  There are scores of studies for people to read should they choose to.  You need not take issue with me for ernestly trying to help posters seeking information.  It's their decision to make and they do have a right to be fully informed. 

I havn't just posted negatives about raw and you need to stop making me your target of the day. 

I'm more concerned with Salmonella from dry food.  The US CDC says there is salmonella in dry food:  http://tinyurl.com/6ahyyb.  People have a false sense of safety from the garbage that's put into bags for dogs and cats.

no doubt you handle raw meat when preparing it for the oven/grill/pan etc for your family so there is no added risk when feeding raw to dogs; also dogs very rarely contract salmonella and often it has nothing to do with raw meat but other sources.

I think the issue is if the dog becomes colonized with salmonella.  We all come in contact with pathogenic bacteria, sometimes daily.  Hand washing and safe handling make a difference.

I  have fed raw for 27 years off and on, deer meat when I hunt, buffalo, chicken , you name it...Never , never have my kids nor me nor dogs had salmonella, or ecoli.

If you have not had success with raw, find out where  you get the meat...or the way it was processed....I do my own and freeze..no thaw to warm  keep cold and feed and dont let dog carry off and bury it.

You can get sick out of the water faucet from the city you  live in..Wake Up America....

people have lived on raw and the earths bounty and lived for years before man made chemical laden inventions make you sicker that than eating dirt , leaves, sticks , and insects God made.

If you want access to more information as I mentioned, you can google it.  There are scores of studies for people to read should they choose to.  You need not take issue with me for ernestly trying to help posters seeking information.  It's their decision to make and they do have a right to be fully informed. 

I havn't just posted negatives about raw and you need to stop making me your target of the day.

Which degree and from where?  (You put it out there.  I've heard the claim before.)

I am not making you my "target of the day".   I'm just sick and damn tired of people carrying on about Salmonella and e-coli and such because it's raw meats, especially after hygeine practices have already been noted/posted/stressed/preached.

It is not any more unsafe than prepping the meats for a family meal.  24 hours before feeding the food is removed from the freezer and placed in the refrigerator to thaw.  Hands are washed before feeding, after feeding, and after collecting the bowls.  Dogs are fed in their crates and those are cleaned also.  All surfaces are properly cleaned.  Hell, we even wipe the bags after packaging before freezing!  No problems with health (human or animal) in 35 plus years.  (Thank you Dad for the education!)  Few vet bills too. 

www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/217645.html

I have been feeding raw for 8 years. Have not taken any extra precaution except to wash the counter and hands after feeding.  I have had no problems, and neither have my dogs or anyone else.

DJT

Sue Ann posted: "I think the issue is if the dog becomes colonized with salmonella. 

True but this issue is certainly not exclusive to raw feeding. in truth it is as much if not more of an issue for kibble fed dogs if for perhaps no other reason then folks who feed kibble are unaware that kibble too can become contaminated.

the whole article can be found here http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/15/AR2008051502363.html but here are some quotes:

WEDNESDAY, May 21 (HealthDay News) -- An outbreak of human Salmonella infection, which occurred as far back as 2006, has been traced to contaminated dry dog food, the first time such a link has been uncovered, according to U.S. officials.   ...

No pets became ill. However, Salmonella was identified in feces samples from dogs that ate the dry food. In addition, Salmonella was found in open bags of the pet food fed to the dogs and in unopened bags of dog food made in the Pennsylvania plant, the CDC said. ...

"The most important thing is to wash your hands right after you handle any dry dog food, any other pet food, pet treats, even supplements or vitamins," Barton Behravesh said. "In addition, keep infants and other young children away from pet food, because kids tend to want to see what their dogs are eating and grab at the pet food and play with it or even put it in their mouth."

This is not new though it may be the first time the government has recognized it. If you do more searches you will find that kibble poses a bigger problem not only because of folks being unaware but because kibble lacks the enzymatic activity etc that helps the animal kill off the bacteria instead of merely excreting it.

Sue Ann you said Cite source please if you don't mind.  I've never heard of one case (validated or rumored) where a dog transmitted salmonella to a human, child or adult.

Can you cite a source of a valid case of a raw fed dog transmitting salmonella to humans?  I've been re-reading this thread and I saw you define salmonella and state the standard concerns as well as some preventative measures maybe I missed it but I wasn't able to find any cited case.

Thanks,

Susan

Susan:

It was actually me that posted asking to cite source after Sue-Ann's post.

This was the cited source. www.avma.ab.ca/animal_health/comphealth5.htm

A wealth of (mis)information.