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by duke1965 on 28 March 2018 - 16:03
if you test a dog in muzzle, you can train him on sleeve,suit etc whatever you want, no issue because he will naturally also bite when the sleeve and/or suit are not there
or, other way around, if a dog with right genetics, is trained on sleeve or suit, he will bite for real if triggerred to do so
by apple on 28 March 2018 - 18:03
by ValK on 28 March 2018 - 19:03
"I don't think there is an actual trait of being genetically civil."
wrong assumption. civil potential does passing to offsprings albeit in varying straight. odds to find strong civil dog from genetic pool of dogs with strong civility way much greater than from pool of soft and submisive dogs.
"thinks all a dog needs is a ton of drive to bite to be civil"
again wrong. one can teach the dog to act like civil but in fact it's just teaching and encouraging the dog to be bully. such dog wouldn't withstand real pressure and pain.
"The advantage to that approach is with no defense there is less chance of flight."
i'm not sure what that means but civil dog is not mainly about defense (which in varying degree available in any dog), rather readiness of dog for offensive actions, in spite of any possible bad consequences for dog.
but that true that "trait has largely been bred away from and lost". such dogs wasn't big issue behind "iron curtain" because always have been used for guarding purposes in either private households or businesses, with very little contacts with humans. but for commercial purpose in the West with very strict rules and punishment, market for this type is extremely narrow.
by apple on 29 March 2018 - 10:03
by duke1965 on 29 March 2018 - 17:03
again one big mis assumption apple
A high preydrive dog with bad nerves will run as fast as a civil dog with bad nerves, both need stable nerves and courage to stay in there
by apple on 29 March 2018 - 17:03
by duke1965 on 29 March 2018 - 17:03
same as many people think they have this strong, fast dog with full calm grips
often pressured on the bite and ooo look how strong, you want to know how many of these dogs fall apart when you take away ball and sleeve and take them for a walk away from the owner
by duke1965 on 29 March 2018 - 17:03
so we can conclude that every dog, working in prey, or in defense, needs more than that alone to stay in the fight or even get to the fight
by apple on 29 March 2018 - 18:03
by ValK on 29 March 2018 - 19:03
"their prey drive is much more intense than a GSD. Some are more prone to see a man as prey, which is not typical for dogs."
sort of like this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4zU1Qxe6_A
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