Swine flu - Page 2

The ignorance is astounding......and yes, laughable. Yes, you have a right to post ignorance...to a point.
Read the entire article whose link is here. Only the first two paragraphs are copied below for those who don't want to read it all.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=1296

Swine Flu Vaccine Fearmongering

by Dr Harriet Hall, MD

FEAR IS A CURIOUS THING. It often bears no relation to the actual risk
of what we fear. When swine flu first broke out in Mexico, people were
understandably afraid. Travel was restricted, schools were closed, and
so many people stayed home that the streets of Mexico City were empty.
As the disease spread around the world, Egypt developed a paranoid
fear of pigs and committed national pigicide. They ordered the
slaughter of all 300,000 of their country’s innocent little porkers,
ignoring the fact that the flu is spread person-to-person, not pig-to-
person. Now that the disease has officially been labeled a pandemic,
fears have switched from the real threat of the disease to an imagined
danger from the vaccine.
Some people just plain hate the idea of vaccines — to the point that
they are willing to spread old falsehoods, make up new lies, distort
the results of studies, misrepresent statistics, and endanger our
public health. There are websites like “Operation Fax to Stop the Vax”
and even anti-swine-flu-vaccine rap videos. Press releases, e-mail
campaigns, talk shows, and blogs are being used to stir up irrational
fears. These people are irresponsible fearmongers. They are wrong, and
they are dangerous.

I will say just one thing....a few years ago I almost lost my husband (we were not yet married at the time) to influenza. The year that the flu shots were in short supply his primary care physician declined to give it to him. He did catch the flu, developed pneumonia & nearly died. I had worked in intensive care units for many years, caring for very sick people, & I never saw someone get so sick, so fast. He had a temp of 103.7 within 90 minutes of feeling ill, & by the time I got him to our hospital, his lungs had already nearly filled with fluid, & he was turning blue. He endured several days of ICU care, narrowly avoided being put on a ventilator (because I stayed by his side shaking him awake, making him look at me & BREATHE!) If you have people whom you love, especially older persons, influenza is no joke, it kills! It kills quickly! We never do with out the vaccination, we know how bad it can be. jackie harris

Hodie, Glad you're back. 

Personally, I think that anyone not in an "at risk" group should avoid the swine flu vaccine. The only people considered at risk are children, young adults, and pregnant women (although, for the life of me, I cannot imagine vaccinating a pregnant woman). To suggest that someone my age (71) have a swine flu vaccine is also ignorant, irrational, and irresponsible.

FACT: swine flu is an entirely different ball game that the garden variety, regularly mutating, annual influenza.

This year, because I am extraordinarily healthy and have great health insurance, I will eschew both the seasonal flu vaccine and that for swine flu. What other people do is their choice. Because I am retired have access to excellent health care, I would prefer to take a few risks which involve the establishment of primary immunity.

The only vaccines I had a couple of years ago are good for a lifetime (like most canine vaccines!!): pneumonia and shingles (for older people who had chicken pox as children). 

The new H1N1 vaccine contains thimerisol (50% mercury), claimed to be needed as a preservative. And it contains squalene, which has been used in lab experiments to create arthritis and other autoimmune disorders in lab animals so they can study various new treatments being developed. Squalene is an unlicensed adjuvant.

It was used in the anthrax vaccine required by US troops and blamed for "gulf war syndrome". It is a fatty acid/lipid (oil) that occurs in the body naturally. However, when injected it serves as a potent adjuvant and kicks the immune system into overdrive, sometimes way too far in overdrive. Most informed medical researchers who know about squalene in detail.

In some cases (too many) this triggers the autoimmune reaction of the body to attack its own myelin sheaths around the nerves, especially in the brain. This can cause guillain barre paralysis (sometimes fatal).

The swine flu vaccine of approximately 25 years ago was given because of 25 cases and supposedly one death at a military base. Soldiers at the base said it was rumored to be a bio-weapons test. Of the citizens that got it all over the USA, hundreds of those that received it got guillain barre of various severity. There were deaths too.

Swine flu was rumored to be a bioweapon developed during the secret war with Cuba (operation run out of Zenith Technical Services of the University of Fla at Miami (CIA front) and "No-name Key" to implant swine flu in Castro's pig herds. It turned out to be relatively benign and didn't achieve it's goals of ruining Cuba's economy.



When the president of the U of MN got the swine flu vaccination he developed guillain barre. He was paralyzed and stayed flat on his back for one year from it but did recover for the most part.



How come 40% of the physicians surveyed and 50% of the nurses surveyed say they will refuse the swine flu shot no matter what? When asked most reply it's unproven and too new and they know about about the guillain barre problems. The fact that squalene is a product unlicensed for human injection by the FDA scares researchers in the know.



There is no known and valid medical reason to include high concentrations of squalene, and formaldehyde, formalin, synthetic phenol, MSG, phenoxethanol (antifreeze), residualMRC5 proteins, tri(n)butylphosphate, vero cells (continuous line of monkey kidney cell linked to SV-40 virus known to cause lukemia, nano-particles of aluminum hydroxine and phosphate, ammonium sulfate, and human diploid cells from aborted fetuses in swine flu vaccine, but these will be included in it.



Some single dose vials of seasonal flu vaccine can be purchased without thimerisol, but in the past years it has been in all grouped multi-dose vials.




Who is this  DR>Harriet Hall, M????????????????????????
Any one person has an opinion  ,? WHO DOES SHE OR HE WORK FOR//?  WHERE DID SHE COME FROM AND WHAT IS SHE TO THIS RESEARCH? 

Dr.Preston has a PHD   and I and all the rest of you on this board know him., also..I will trust him and two others here in Neurology Dept. studying under  Head of three depts of Sciences..LONG BEFORE I TRUST THE LIARS  TRYING TO COVER THE SCANDAL NOW IN OUR MIDSTS.

If anyone wants to know more and know all the info that is available by RESEARCHERS NOT PAID AND HUSHED BY THE US GOVERNMENT  AND ITS COHARTS......\jUST   PM  PRESTON ON THE BOARD AND HE MAY OR MAY NOT DISCUSS WITH YOU OR GIVE YOU WHERE TO GO FIND THE INFO OF IMPORTANCE.



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http://www.kctv5.com/news/21176602/detail.html

You can read the package insert for this vaccine for yourself right here…..

http://www.fluscam.com/Vaccine_Package_Inserts_files/Novartis_A-H1N1_2009_Monvalent_VaccinePackageInsert_BasedOn1980Approvalfor%20Fluvirin_UCM182242.pdf

This business of the Swine Flu over here in Belgium they say it is now an epidemic,
They say this  nearly every year about one thing or another, they concoct a vaccine and it has to be sold and paid for i find it comical to say the least,
But it is for everyone to decide those people with heart problems etc i guess they will go along with there doctors advice and be vaccinated ,
I for one will not get no vaccination if i get the flu i will get over it the same way as i have done in the past and that is naturally it takes its course but the best way
If anyone gets the flu now they will thing it is the Swine Flu and the Doctors surgeries will be overloaded and the people who really need to see a doctor will have to wait longer
Steve

I TOTALLY agree with Hodie. The level of preferred ignorance and the willingness to perpetuate it is staggering. People will believe what they want to believe.  I know of the Ph.d Preston being sited as a knowledgeable source, who used to post to this board, as the one who wears those tin foil hats, I presume. 

 Yellowrose, and others.. .

   Thanks for your input on this. I tend to avoid / be suspicious of "conspiracy theories", however.. I took that "swine flu" shot, many years ago, as did my mother (her idea, she talked me into it, but I was an adult by then). 

   I can tell you that I started to have frequent and alarming nervous ticks on my right side (face and upper arm) almost immediately afterwards, and these lasted for many months, gradually subsiding over a year. I associated the symptoms with the shot, but when I heard about the gillian-barre sufferers, some of whom died or needed respiratory support, I really made the connection. 

  Perhaps coincidentally (but maybe not) my mother eventually developed Parkinson's syndrome, and is now in the later stages of it. No link can be made, of course, but I really wonder, sometimes. 

  A neighbor of ours also got this damned shot and it nearly killed him. He got it after work, before coming home, and never came home.. His wife found him four days later, in a hospital, in a state of collapse, unable to remember even where he had gone to get the shot. By the time we met these people, years later, he was confined to the use of a motorized wheelchair with a joystick to manage movement. He was a near-quadriplegic, and could not even feed himself. The diagnosis was gillian-barre syndrome. Poor guy... 

  I also wonder what is all the hype about.. same as back then, big scare tactics. Nothing happened then, either.. There never was a "swine flu" outbreak. It was all a big fraud. 

  My grandfather was a teamster (drove a hitch of horses, for deliveries), back in the old days of WW1 and the "Spanish flu" (which was real, and did kill a lot of people). Granddad did a stint for a funeral home, picking up dead people, often died from Spanish flu. 

  Spanish flu was a chance hybrid of avian and porcine influenza strains, and it swept across the USA not once, but twice, going to Europe with our soldiers and coming back with them, again, when they returned. This was a devastating pandemic, but there were no antibiotics back then. Most people probably died of complications to the flu, like streptococcal pneumonia. There is a shot for that, and you might want to think about taking that one, but I'd stay away from the swine flu shot, if I were you.  

  There was also a lot of tuberculosis around back in those old days, and no cure for that, either. If they thought you had it, the health authorities might have you confined to a sanitarium, to prevent it from spreading.