The Unwanted - Page 10

as long as they are dewormed and such other stuff that have to be done to them you can take them to a pet shop and sell them there to the pet shop would give you a certain amount for them and sell them

Sheba please................



I think your right Kelly, what other people do is their business, and you do not have to agree them.

The question always brings out the same answers, and some will not answer at all.

Some people understand my point, probably brought up on a farm or a ranch.
Some may have witnessed real abuse first hand and know what some people are capable of.

There are happy endings for some, that perfect home with just the right people, but thats not the norm from everything I've ever seen.

Those of you who didn't answer I understand why.

And those who believe shelters are the answer, try keeping track of that animal for at least a year, see how things end up.

Then we will pose the question once more.

Just remember, animals know more than you think, and they feel more than you realize, they understand.
To see one suffer makes me suffer,  I feel what they feel inside.

You answer to yourself in the end.

Moons.

I am not a breeder, either.  Never have been, but wanted to be, once.

From my point of view, and with the life experience that I have (which is arguably less than many of the folks here, granted), I wouldn't breed a litter unless I had the appropriate health checks, great dogs, killer pedigrees, and had a waiting list for the pups.  Ideally, I'd keep any pups not finding homes, raise and train them, and work to find them homes.

But what do you do when there is no money to keep those pups, if you've lost your job?  Or if you're in such dire straits (and we all know it can happen, and does, every single day) that you are losing you home, and can't keep the dogs you have?  Pups that didn't find homes?

Steph has said that she and other rescues are plumb full of dogs, including the occasional pregnant bitch.  They have to get her whelped, raise the pups, get them fixed before they find homes, and then get them to the homes.  I have lost count of the number of dogs that Steph has had come in in the last week, some of which are clearly working lines dogs that the owners got as cute puppies, and then when reality hit, they dumped them in shelter, or a reputable rescue.  Some have minor health problems like my Annie Oakley, who is perfectly healthy except for the fact that she is stone blind.  Dumped for the simple reason that she was DEFECTIVE.  I'm sure that the people thought they were doing the responsible thing, putting her in rescue, and for her, that was the right thing, but where is the responsibility of the owner?  The breeder would have taken her back, but they would have euthanized her.

Oakley is very warm hearted, calm, gentle, and she's not even four months old yet.  When I'd only had her for two weeks, she had to spend the night in the utility room as our other dog had the crate after her spay, and I fully expected, when I got up the next morning, to have a mess on the rug in there, but no, there was Oakley. lying by the door, waiting to go outside to potty.  She hadn't chewed anything, nor had she had an accident.  I am so overjoyed to have this rescue dog to share my life with.

By the same token, though, I have to agree with Moons and a couple of others here.  If you have leftover puppies, or dogs you must place because you are completely unable to keep them, then you must do the absolute best you can to find them homes, with someone.  But if you're down to the wire, and you haven't been able to donate them to a service org, you can't sell them, and you've been unsuccessful in finding homes and a wonderful rescue doesn' easily have room, then I think that humane euthanasia is something that people should keep on the table.  It is a hard choice, but if the shelter is your only other option, then to me, the responsible thing to do is ensure the animal will not suffer.

I volunteered in our local shelter one summer, and it was heartbreaking to see the number of dogs surrendered because they chewed, they pooed, they dug, they jumped, whatever.  Owners just brought them in and dumped them.  Or, they'd adopt a dog because they thought it looked cool, and by the afternoon, it was back, because it did something they didn't like, and they didn't want to deal with it.  I've seen dogs adopted several times in one day, brought back each time.  Dogs that went out and came back so many times they were finally euthanized as not being adoptable.  I hated like hell when those dogs would be taken to what was euphemistically called the "isolation ward", a closed off kennel area from which they did not return.

If the owners had taken those same dogs, if they could not be rehomed (though likely, most never even tried), to the vet and had them humanely eeuthanized, then the animal would never have had to go thr

Moons,

I know where you are coming from.  Yes, I was raised on a small farm.  Every year we named of our butcher calf Hamburger.  We lost or had to euthenize several animals thru the years.  That's part of it, like it or not.  I've raised calves on the bottle (talk about a bond) only to sell them later.  So I know what it is like to grow attached to an animal only to say goodbye.  Having left the farm and moved to the city I have seen unbelievable acts of cruelty.  Here in Wichita, we worked on getting a law passed, it's called Magnum's law. 

How One Community Changed Animal Cruelty Laws
In August, 2005 in Wichita, Kansas, citizens passing by a recycling bin heard muffled sounds. They stopped to look inside the container. There they found an 11 week old Labrador-mix puppy near death. The puppy had multiple injuries, including a broken leg, cuts, and chemical burns over much of his body. He had been bound with wire and one paw had been stuffed into his mouth. He had been tortured, then thrown away to die.

The puppy was taken to Heartland Animal Hospital where veterinarians and staff named him Magnum and tried their best to save him.

News of the puppy hit the community quickly. Most people were outraged that anyone would treat a puppy the way Magnum had been treated and we all hoped beyond hope that he would survive. Unfortunately, Magnum passed away just a few days later.

Magnum's death would not be in vain, though. Veterinarians and other animal lovers in the community were determined that something would change and change quickly. Animal cruelty and Kansas' lax animal cruelty laws had made the front page again and this time the community's voice would be heard. A bill was proposed, Senate bill No.408, dubbed Magnum's law, that would impose mandatory jail time of at least 30 days in jail, a fine of $500-$5,000, and mandatory psychological evaluation for convicted offenders.
 
Years before, in 1997, a similar bill (Senate bill No.135) had been proposed after a Yorkshire terrier named Scruffy was beaten and burned alive in Kansas City. Those responsible were caught. They had videotaped the event and showed it to friends. Under the current laws of the time, the abusers were charged only with a misdemeanor for torturing Scruffy. More severe felony charges were only brought for arson, because they had set him on fire. Despite community outrage over the case, Scruffy's law to make animal cruelty a felony was knocked down several times by the Kansas Senate.

Would Magnum's law, (Senate bill No. 408), which was stricter than Scruffy's law, pass? It would, thanks to the immense pressure the community put on lawmakers. 

When I think about this, I have no problem with euthanasia when all other options have failed.  No dog of mine is going through hell because I got squemish and decided that any home would be better than death.  Death isn't always the worst choice.  Not every puppy will be as lucky as Annie Oakley.  Sometimes, when hard times hit and you are out of options, death is the kindest thing you can offer.   

Deb

I grew up on  a farm too Moons.  I've seen just about everything.  However, if you truley believe ( which I don't btw) that dogs know when they are going to be pts, and yet you agree with it, well, I'm shocked.  If you really believe that, how in the heck can you bring more pups into this world just to give them a life of hell than, the fear of death?

Try to sell them at a reduced price or give them to trustworthy rescue group such as Steph's (not a shelter) and don't breed anymore! In this economy why is anyone breeding anyway! People are losing their homes and jobs everyday. The intake at animal shelters has increased by 30%- and don't think that it is only the mixed breeds or misfits that are being turned in! What are people thinking when they are breeding their dogs right now????? As Steph said, give it a break if you REALLY care!  The Schutzhund and GSD world WILL survive without your pups! JMHO
Char

Red sable,
Your shocked?  At what?  You don't think dogs know?
Oh well.....

starrchar,
You get an A+ for your answer to the question that you must not have read.

The Moons coming on and I leave this one behind now.

Look your dog in the eye sometime and ask what he or she thinks about it.

Moons.