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Do you????? 

pics please!!!

Actually, I do not only define work as schutzhund. That particular sport is not the be and and end all of what defines a working dog. My dogs are titled in it before being bred because I feel the need to follow the SV standard for my breedings, however, I think I am a pretty liberal breeder when it comes to lifting lmited registration.

Jransom, I guess the point I was making with that statement was if you deliberately breed outside the standard, after enough generations you get a dog that no longer resembles a GSD in body or mind. Then, to me at least, it is no longer a GSD.

at what point can the akc or any other kennel club strip registeration from dog that are no longer even close to the breed>

Now why would the AKC do that? They would lose their precious registration fees. Most "Pandas" are registered as black and tan, has the AKC done a damn thing? Of course not. It'll be a cold day in hell before the AKC starts making breeders actually uphold the standards.

As long as people will buy puppies from breeders like this, there will be breeders like this. That doesn't make it right, but that's why these dogs are being bred. If the dogs are from from purebred parents, technically, they are still purebred GSDs. Some people are looking for an unusual looking dog, or they don't like the "standard" looking GSDs. They want oversized, long-coated, and non-standard color. Lots of people don't understand what HD is, don't look for hip certification because they don't realize that you can't tell by looking at a dog whether it's hips are good or not. They have never read the breed standard, or they don't agree with it. I would never buy a puppy for someone who can't even spell "for sale" and writes "for sell" instead, but that's just me. It doesn't matter what I think, though. They will go on breeding their dogs as long as people keep buying them.

two moons, congrats on the pups.   mine just turned 9 days old.  cute little buggers.  and i am proud to say not a white, liver, or blue in the litter.    mum an pups all doing well. 

Hey luvdemdogs,  if screaming is what it takes to even put the possibility of making one person actually read the standard, then screaming is what I will do.  
Schutzhund is a sport.  so are many other things.  As i have said all along, i dont care what you do with your dog, at least train it to do something besides keep the couch warm.   I know,  thats all some people want,  but really, is full time foot warmer enough to base the worthyness of breeding off of?  It is to  some people, but i dont see that as doing the breed a good service.  Just as breeding for color alone does nothing to improve.  you just keep telling yourself that color doesnt matter, and i will keep trying to educate others how it does.

john

Moons and John congrats on your puppers.  John I totally agree with you.  You'll never look i my yard and see a white, blue, liver or coat. I would rather go American than go that route.  Before I get flamed for saying that I have a 1/2 AM 1/2 German pup tht I love dearly..  So John scream all you want for education is the key.

Holy cripes! That stud dog looks more Chow than GSD. Toilet bowl breeding. Throw all the crap in and swirl it around, walla.

KCzaja;  I don't agree with you on their structure. That part looked good IMO.  Goodness, look at some of the dogs the conformation ring sends out in top spot.  Some have forgotten what the proper structure is in place of a fad, to see if it makes the dog trot pertier.

I used to fall for all this breed standard BS that dog folks spew, until I saw what they were breeding and called tempermentally and structurally correct.  What a joke.

 BTW, my dog is not structurally correct, she does have a curved spine,(slightly roached)  and is cowhocked,- just so you know I can admit her faults too, and it was actually painless.

I saw poor heads, terrible fronts, long feet, incorrect stifles, godawful backs and toplines and underlines, and many of them are grossly oversize. One dog had its elbows protruding out so badly it looked like a bulldog, which fits because her rump was higher than her wither!

I never said what gets popular in the show ring is correct, either. I went to the USASS last month and between the puppy classes and the "performance" tests I was too disgusted to stick around Saturday and did not go on Sunday at all. By the same token, I have seen a fair share of working dogs whose backs are soft and height to lenght is so skewed I'm amazed the dog's back can hold up to the work. Don't get me started on the AKC show types. Saying that poor dogs physically and mentally come out of "good" lines as well is weak justification for that kind of breeding.

Don't get me wrong, I like a good moving dog. Front reach is important for ground covering, but I sure don't need it in the extreme. Correctness coming and going is much more important to me than length of stride.

One mark of a good breeder or fancier is someone who can admit their dog's faults. Thinking one's dog is just perfect and awesome is putting on blinders, and then the breeding program takes a nosedive. I don't find it painful, either, and outside of what you mentioned I think your dog is lovely, in fact none of the dogs on that site could hold a candle to her structurally (coat or not!), if that is her on your avatar. ;)