Speechless - Page 2

sometimes I wonder if it's mainly the photos that make the dog look as bad as they seem....

Jim:

Back at cha buddy.  You can scream until the cows come home and it won't make  one whit of difference. Color does not make the dog.  I'll take my whites over your colors and raise you a liver, LOL!

And I'll BREED  them if I feel like it - so please, my dear - stuff your self righteous bullshit  - it is meaningless to me and to people who understand that past color bias was based on faulty knowledge.  The breed standard, imo, should change to allow for different color - not the other way round. 

Take your whites over his colors for what, sitting around on the couch? John breeds working dogs, who actually work, as a GSD was intended to.

Are you really defending the dogs on that site? Those dogs are CRAP. Forget about color, the structure is atrocious. I took a peek at their website- their hip guarantee is only good for 12 MONTHS. What a joke. Maybe you should do a little homework yourself before jumping on your high horse.

For the millionth time LDD- this is NOT JUST ABOUT COLOR. This about people breeding SUBSTANDARD animals, run of the mill BYB sh*tters; you can pick up the same quality out of any newspaper for about $250. 

You can breed a TOP dog to a TOP dog and still get pups that are only pet quality, not appropriate for a working field or as breed animals, but simply as companaions. This is because despite a breeders best efforts, sometimes you do get the NEGATIVE aspects of a QUALITY line in your puppies.  So what do you think happens when you breed two mediocre dogs? Mediocre is THE BEST you can get, and it's all downhill from there, honey.

The standard for the German Shepherd dog is what it is. Do you presume to be more of an authority on the GSD than those who founded the breed, that you feel your opinion should be enough for the standard to be changed? Whites and Pandas have already gone the way of separate breed recognition, why not for livers and blues as well? If you have a healthy, structurally sound, damn nice working dog of a disqualifying color and you want to breed it, go right ahead. But you can't in good concience call it a GSD because, BY DEFINITION, it is not.

I too am speechless.

I'm not  for breeding dogs unless there is improvement involved, and I'm certainly not a fan of breeding for pets.  Whites are the way they are because for years they have been bred to be softer and pets.  Thankfully I know of those who are working their whites...and thats moving in the right direction, and I'm happy to see a few working both here in the US and overseas....granted, most of those doing something serious with their whites are within the seperate-breed community.

I dont see OFA, I dont see any kind of titles, and it also looks like Sky, who was only 4 months in May 08, has already had a litter.

This isnt so much about breeding bad colors as much as it is about being an irresponsible breeder.

~Cate

 KCzaja,
I back you on everything you said except , But you can't in good concience call it a GSD because, BY DEFINITION, it is not.
But it is a GSD......... with faults...according to the standard.
Still, should not be bred ! 

KCzaja:

For the millionth time LDD- this is NOT JUST ABOUT COLOR. This about people breeding SUBSTANDARD animals, run of the mill BYB sh*tters; you can pick up the same quality out of any newspaper for about $250.

For the millionth time, KC - I agree!!!    (please tell that to the guy who felt the need to scream his opinopn, LOL!)   And no, I'm not defending that breeder on that website.  I saw nothing of health testing, for example.  Sheee-it, it would be really good if folks didn;t read too much into other people's posts. 

I would also hope you would agree that there's more to work than the SPORT of Schutzhund. LOL!  And I don't care if screamin' guy breeds dogs that fly - he doesn't have the market on opinions. :)

Did I forget to mention    I HAVE PUPPIES !!!!!!