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by missbeeb on 02 March 2009 - 19:03
The Shepherd IS a trotting dog... read the standard.
Yes, it is also a working dog... see my previous post. Quite why everything has to degenerate into pointless name calling is beyond me.
by Held on 02 March 2009 - 19:03
by VonKohlenBerg on 02 March 2009 - 20:03
If the ideal structure of the GSD is so superior, I wonder why other dog breeds are not copying? I will tell you why, because the "SV and American ideal" GSD structure is a joke. The Ideal GSD (show line) dogs are oversized, crippled, genetic mutants, with the large majority of them lacking character (working temperament). The standard is constructed by an organization that puts little value on function. Because of this we now have a breed that is not very functional. I am talking about the show lines.
News Flash: If you think the GSD is a "trotting dog" or want a GSD to trot with, you are part of the problem and should not be involved with the GSD.
by missbeeb on 02 March 2009 - 20:03
Quote: News Flash: If you think the GSD is a "trotting dog" or want a GSD to trot with, you are part of the problem and should not be involved with the GSD.
Get over yourself... it's not about what you or I think, it's what's in the standard... that's what we should all adhere to, or at least aspire to! That's conformation, ability and character I refer to.
by snajper69 on 02 March 2009 - 21:03
Missbeeb, I might be wrong on this, but if the standard dose not do the dog justice why fallow it? The fact of the matter is simple, long stretchy gate is not important to dog functionality. Once again, wolfs cover more ground than any shepherd will in a life time why nature did not over angulated them? Because it is not functional. BTW I am not pissing here on show line dog's just breeders that choose to breed over angulated dog's. For a fact I know that not all showline breeders do it, but every time I hear one talking about trotting it dose push my bottom in the wrong direction, because I know for a fact that my square looking female will outperform them any time. And she is not a trotter. Every time you focus on only one thing you will loose other equally important criteria. What the standard really calls for is balance not a single thing you will pick on. That's what focusing on gate did to SL GSD's it converted them into cripple looking dogs (once again not all, I will give you benefit of the doubt, because I seen some SL that look like a (according to me) correct looking GSD). Breeding for pray drive, this is the same injustice being done to WL, you never should focus on a single characteristic of a dog. I am pretty sure if SL people, judges will go back to the way GSD look in the past, most WL will join you and will be showing along side of SL people, but till SL people specifically the judges will continue on the road they are now, than you on your own. I rather have a high pray correct looking (according to me) GSD than mellow cripple looking SL GSD (once again this is broad generalization, I know that not all of them are like that).
by snajper69 on 02 March 2009 - 21:03
by july9000 on 02 March 2009 - 21:03
The Standard say:
ANGULATION ET MOVEMENT: The German Shepherd is a TROTTING DOG!!
Written in black and white in the standard..Maybe some of the working line folks just don't know how to read LOL!!
Cause if they could..they would see how the structure is also important in our GSD..
by snajper69 on 02 March 2009 - 21:03
Maybe go work your dog and stop reading so much.
Let me reverse your statement:
"Maybe some of the SL people should work their dog from time to time, than they would understand what is wrong with SL" lol (apologize to some of you especially he one's that actually work their dog's on regular basis)
How many SL people put up when "get a real dog" posted a threat "put up or shut up" ? lol
by missbeeb on 02 March 2009 - 21:03
Hi Snajper, you say, Once again, wolfs cover more ground than any shepherd will in a life time why nature did not over angulated them? Because it is not functional.
No pedigree dog is as nature intended... all pedigrees are engineered by man, mostly for a purpose. The Shepherd needed to be a trotting dog because it was expected to act as a "live fence", keeping sheep out of crops etc... perfectly functional.
Over angulation prohibits good movement... yes, we do have over angulated animals and we do have some roach backs, but they are not the norm.
I don't know of a single breeder that only breeds for one thing... honestly, most try to get it all.
by Red Sable on 02 March 2009 - 21:03
The Standard say:
ANGULATION ET MOVEMENT: The German Shepherd is a TROTTING DOG!!
Written in black and white in the standard..Maybe some of the working line folks just don't know how to read LOL!!
Cause if they could..they would see how the structure is also important in our GSD..
I AGREE, structure is IMPORTANT, so why do you insist on ruining it, in the name of good conformation?
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