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Videx

by Videx on 01 April 2009 - 18:04

 YOU WISH!

Videx

by Videx on 01 April 2009 - 18:04

 No comments on the "easy breeding" requirements of RSV 2000 ? NO REAL SURPRISE!

by Christopher Smith on 01 April 2009 - 18:04

In what way does the RSV harm the SV?


by TessJ10 on 01 April 2009 - 19:04

Thank you, sueincc and vikram and Videx for the links. 

Are there any conformation requirements at all?  If based purely on "utility" - what "utility", and what's to prevent the GSD from all looking and acting like Malinois (or anything else) within a few generations?  Is utility competition only Schutzhund?  Because what about heading the breed towards excelling in that arena only and ending up with dogs extremely UNlike Capt. von Stephanitz' goal of an all-around dog.  How many high-drive dogs can't be trusted alone with cats or chickens? 

Does conformation have any place at all?  Concentrating on performance (utility) yet saying it's ok to breed at 12 months based only on a "Talent inspection" of 12mo pups and also NOT requiring even a SchH1 - well, doesn't that seem a little contradictory to anyone?  How can you possibly talk about being dysplasia free at 12 months?  Also (just asking and hoping for calm discussion) does it not discourage indiscriminate breeding for quantity in order to get the 70-100 pups (!!!! poor bitches - LOL) to get your "breeding forever" category, since you have to have 50% pass the test? 

I'm not being critical, I happen to think highly of Dr. Raiser, I'm just asking for people's thoughts.

My last question is that now for those who show FCI, do you have to choose in which organization you register your dogs?  Are dual registrations allowed?  Will RSV2000 members only register their dogs in their own organization, and will dogs only so registered be eligible for AKC registration?  Just wondering what it will mean for all the people in the USA and other countries who buy or breed to German dogs. 

 

 


by Aqua on 01 April 2009 - 19:04

Videx said:
> No comments on the "easy breeding" requirements of RSV 2000 ?<


Can you please tell us what those "easy breeding" requirements are?

by TessJ10 on 01 April 2009 - 19:04

I'm guessing it's allowing one breeding at 12 months of age with no SchH title and of course being too young to have good hip/elbow x-rays.  From the RSV2000 website:

"Knowing that the achievement of a Schutzhund 1 title is very difficult today, the start into breeding is fairly easy in the new club.  All individuals have to be documented at a Talentsichtung (Talent inspection) at the age of 12 months the earliest.  If there is no reason that excludes the dog from breeding such as hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia, hanging ears or missing testicles, etc. the dog is after this allowed for one mating."

sueincc

by sueincc on 01 April 2009 - 19:04

Hi Tess,  What Videx linked you to is a rough outline, over a year old.  It is not a blueprint of the organizations details and goals.   Don't let Videx scare you into believing Helmut Raiser and RSV2000 doesn't care about conformation, and of course you know his concerns about the lack of working ability, the health, the nerves,  in many of the lines today.  Videx is only grasping at straws and trying to get everyone else to join him. 

by TessJ10 on 01 April 2009 - 19:04

I'm sure Dr. R. does indeed care about conformation.  I'd forgotten about what I read being preliminary.


Videx

by Videx on 01 April 2009 - 23:04

Was it Helmut Raiser who advocated "cross breeding" of the GSD???

by Gustav on 02 April 2009 - 00:04

" How can you possibly talk about being dysplasia free at 12 months?" Tess, at what age does Germany certify their dogs in terms of hips? Now if you don't use German dogs for breeding or your dogs are not of recent German descent, then your question makes sense. BUT if your dogs are of recent German descent or you use German dogs in breeding then the question is WHY would you use dogs that the hip history has been for testing at 12 months for decades?  If your lines are all American....then your dogs reflect that you use OFA and they test at 2 years, but the Germans donot. So which one is it, American dogs and two year old evals, or German dogs and pedigree full of dogs that are available to test at 12 months.






 


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