Working line can work???? - Page 7

Jim, It is the SOS from SL folks (not Missbeeb, who has clearly delineated herself) who must resort to ad hominem attacks in their feeble attempts to rationalize. You will NEVER see any video, nor helper-contacts, club identification, or any other type of verification. Just give up on it and move on. Btw: We had a great training weekend this past weekend at Cascade. Glen Crawford and Brett Titus cme out and there was nothing but training from Friday afternoon to Sunday afternoon, great camaraderie and yummy food. We have a Mock/Practice Trial scheduled for March 14. Why don't you come on up! It's a straight shot up I-5.

oh come on gard,,, those are only drawings,,, they dont count.   

john

It is sad to see people that obviously are passionate with our breed not knowing the basics. If you guys never bothered reading up the standard , I wonder what kind of "WORK" you are doing with your dogs. I guess the results of your "WORK" would be similar to the video clip's. Working with a dog and training is a very demanding process, and involves a lot of knowledge and study into the ways of the breed. If you argue about the basics of the standard, like whether the GSD is a trotter or not you only go on proving your ignorance, and make a fool of yourself. Over-angulation is a fault according to the standard same as under angulation. These terms refer to the hindquarters of a dog and have nothing to do with the croup or the steep back as you put it. I suggest before you go on writing b/s on this board you do your homework first.
Miss beeb well said with you 100 percent.

Lol once again talk, talk talk, and prove nothing. And once again I will say it "put up or shut up".

Atarths, WHAT, exactly, have you done? You mention training. Do YOU actively train? Have you ever trialed a dog? Titled anything in schutzhund? You do know that a schutzhund title is required for the working classes? Or, are you involved only in AKC/CKC/KC style conformation shows, where cosmetics is all that matters and participants don't even pay lip-service to working ability? I only ask these pointed questions because of your apparent inability to cease the defensive, and overly defensive, nature of your posts and, indeed, the entire thread. Was one of your dogs on the 2008 USA Sieger Show video? If so, which?

Threads like this one are further proof we need to split the breed.  Watch them forever oohing and ahhing over their angles and deciding what dogs to breed based upon the way they look trotting around a ring in one direction.  Pat them on the head and send them on their way.  We don't need these kinds of anchors around our necks. 

Do you not get it?  In working dog circles, show line GSDs are no longer even considered working dogs, no one takes them seriously and no one considers them a viable or "go to" source for service in military or police departments the world over.   They are a good source for the butt of jokes when shown what passes for "courage fighting drive and hardness" in the overwhelming majority of these dogs.  By the way that's part of the standard too, but I guess you guys are too busy watching your dogs trot to care.

And as far as the statement by MisBeeb:   "there are some show lines capable of taking on the best in schutzhund"  Not in any recent national or internation events that I am aware of.  So how do you figure?  Show us how you came to this conclusion.  I call bullshit on that statement until you can back it up.

Interpretation of the standard is not the epitome of GS breeding.......EXECUTION of the standard is the epitome of GS breeding. The German Shepherd is a working dog...all facets (mental/physical) of the standard are intended to make a magnificent working dog...period! If your interpretation of the standard does not equate into a fine working machine, then you have mis, over, under or incorrectly interpreted the standard. Regardless of whether it is showline or workingline....This breed was intended to be a working dog not a show dog. Its not rocket science....if the conformation you are producing is producing excellent working dogs you are on the right track.....if it doesn't you have gone astray somewhere. The end result has to be a workingdog and can never be a show dog!!(Notice I said the "END" result) This logic is consistent with the founder of the breed and also the intent of the breed. Notice I didn't promote any specific line....either you LIVE up to the standard(that's an action word for an action dog) or you are breeding paper dogs which is incorrect!!!!!

I,ve stayed out of this pissing match up till now.

Sue:
 
What we need is a better  test to grade our dogs by something close to what the Schutzhund test was suppoesd to be for breed worhtness that would cut down this thread to a Hi how you doing status, We can all stand and declare what is and isn,t but untill there tested side by side by the same helpers and judges using criteria evaluted by impartial judging we are kiding our selfs.

As i,ve said before if a threat comes from a attacker the show line dog can surley trot or gait them away...  

hey Atharths,

I define the "Standard" of my Shepherd.

Good Luck. Don't read the manual too much ;-)