What do we miss about the older bloodlines? - Page 11

Which one of them will go to the cupboard and choose a can a dog food and bring it to a boy child when they are hungry? Which one of them flips the water bowl when they are thirsty and it is empty?

hans mother need much help at upper age and when racker done with sport, he help hans' mother while he bake. dog open fridge and stove and fetch for her and lead her go to shops. he also go alert hans or other people at bakery when in need. many of racker offspring gone to sport, military, and police but also people with special need; racker produce at least twelve dog certified for help to blind people. and some racker grand and grand-grand offspring do same. fyi all of my canine flip water bowl when empty and cat make noise for no food in bowl.

but now i interested: who open can of dog food when dog bring it to hungry boy child? why dog fetch dog food when other person in room and watch child be hungry and do nothing and wait for dog bring dog food ? honest question for i not have see assist dog trained to fetch dog food for person. why train such when can train for bringing people food?

Fring..which Racker are you talking about?

Let's not get it twisted, there are some BSP/WUSV dogs that have good social aggression. Usually they are not podium dogs, but are easy to identify albeit having very good training. They probably don't get the breeding the podium dogs do, except for some breeders that value that trait. Actually, when assessing dogs at the WUSV or Nationals, the folks I sit with are evaluating the dogs and pay less attention to the training.

@fring

 who open can of dog food when dog bring it to hungry boy child? why dog fetch dog food when other person in room and watch child be hungry and do nothing and wait for dog bring dog food ? honest question for i not have see assist dog trained to fetch dog food for person. why train such when can train for bringing people food?

Sorry to be confusing. Mojo is a pet dog. It is the boy child's responsibility to feed his pet dog. When he neglects to do his job, we open the cupboard for Mojo. Mojo grabs a can of dog food and brings it to the boy child as a reminder that it is time to feed his dog. The boy child opens the can and feeds the dog, then. 

The child is never hungry for long, believe me. My children eat very well. I like to cook healthy meals. 

I thought the idea of comparing a dog eating today, to a dog of yesterday eating was amusing. I thought it was a funny typo, really, and apologize if my odd sense of humor was the source of the confusion. I think MIthuna is a smartass, so I thought he would understand if I was being one, too. ;)

Racker sounds like my kind of dog. I love having help in the kitchen!

Bee I was observing that ypu remained silent on tje 9 untitled in first 3 gen of 14 ancestors.

Meh...I don't believe it's that easy to see social aggression (at least the type that Mithuna is talking about) on the Schutzhund field. You can see dogs with more natural aggression, and you can see dogs with more prey...but social aggression of the "react at humans walking by" variety...not sure how that's possible to see. To me...most of the time the assumption is made based off of the person handling the dog and the "type of dog they usually handle/like" or if they know the pedigree of the dog they'll make assumptions off of that depending on who the sire or dam is. Aggression is also something that is easily trained/taught to a dog and yes...if you're going to train that way you're probably not going to make any BSPs or nationals with that dog, but it's definitely possible to do.

I can see plenty of dogs who with better training would be better dogs so I have no issue looking past the training and in the same way it's possible to see past the training of the podium dogs to see what kind of dog is behind that training as well.

To me there are certain things that are definitely tested in IPO...social aggression just isn't one of them. In the same way that environmental nerve isn't really tested out on the field as well.

BW
There's a 24 plus page discussion on social and civil agression by contributors on another forum. Pm me if you want the link. Read other persons perspectives as well.

 

Can someone give 1 or 2 names from dogs who have enough social agression
from the last WUSV in what way and how we can see this?

Wich people today needs dogs with social agression and why ?

I was not yet born but I bet some GSD in the 60,s 70,s 80,s have more social agression than
today ?(

Wich GSD stud or female today is a proven stud/ female from social agression?

Wich bloodlines today do we need for social agression ?

What is the best realestic test to see the dog has it.... or not ?

 

Are there some videos from proven studs who have social agression  outside the sport dicipline  somewhere ?

 

What is the point? Mojo is a nine year old, smart, neutered pet dog. He also barks at strangers walking by the house. I never taught him that. On the other hand, he has trained our pedestrians very well and most will choose to walk on the other side of the street than our home.

I know what it is Mithuna, thanks for the internet information but I'm okay. My point is that I'd like to know how someone can see this in an IPO trial. None of the exercises test social aggression, and those that "try" to are so simple to train that you're not going to see the dog's natural reaction in trial anyways. I was just wondering if the overall idea is that if the dog shows more aggression on the IPO field (through the bitework/guarding) if we just make the assumption that the dog is socially aggressive.