Conservative Christian caught in compromising position. - Page 7

Hi Bee

Dont tell me your already at forgiveness no.489.

  John {gouda} 

 

Have a nice day

"Glad you 2 made up but.,,"

don't be jealous GSD, we love you too ,,,,,,,,:) 

 

 

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Believe me, I feel the love.

Claiming "Christian" is like claiming "dog trainer"  Many say they are but most are not.

Who gives anyone the right to be happy?

The government tries to legislate morality and it does not work. BUT marriage is a Judeo/Christian thing. Why do you non believers even evolve yourselves in something you do not believe in?

GSD Admin   So if every one involved is willing and happy,  Is it right?  If a 10 year old is willing to have sex with a willing adult that is okey with you. Just when does "happy" make it right?  What defines morality to you? What is truth?

Who gives anyone the right to be happy?

The Constitution of the United States of America.

The government tries to legislate morality and it does not work.

The religious are the ones attempting to legislate morality.  The function of the government is to protect individual rights.

BUT marriage is a Judeo/Christian thing.

Wrong, matrimony is a Judeo/Christian thing.  Marriage is a legal contract between consenting adults.

Why do you non believers even evolve yourselves in something you do not believe in?

I would imagine those who are "non believers" in marriage wouldn't get married!  So, those who DO want to get married, evidently DO "believe" in marriage.

So if every one involved is willing and happy,  Is it right?

Yes, according to the Constitution!  Would you prefer people be unhappy?  Sounds like it!

If a 10 year old is willing to have sex with a willing adult that is okey with you. Just when does "happy" make it right?

What part of legal consent don't you understand?

Just when does "happy" make it right?

When nobody is being forced (there's that consent thing again, really gets in the way, doesn't it?)

What defines morality to you?

Being in charge of one's rights and responsibilities and affording the same to others.  Not meddling in personal, consentual affairs.

 

 

 

 

You had better re-read your constitution. We have the right to pursue happiness.

It is the governments role to protect our borders.

You are wrong "marriage" has been made a contract. It is a covenant

Keep up with the conversation.

Wrong again refer to line one

What part of moral do you not understand?

The bulk of the people or law makers making laws does not make it right or wrong.

Again re-read the questions.

 

You really make little sense. Morality is proper behavior or doing what is right. The problem with your definition is you do not seem to know the difference between right and wrong nor do you know the "Truth" or the foundation of all truth.

It all boils down to "faith" whether you believe life just happened or God created, it requires faith because if you were not there you don't know, youonly believe.

 

 

What makes it the government business of what we do with our liberty? Why is the government involved in marriage anyway? It is in all reality is none of their business. It is their attempt to control the people and try to impose their idea morality on us. Just look at the action or morals of the politicians we have and tell me they should tell anyone how to live their lives.

I am not a drug user at all, but it is not the place of the government or job to control it.

I have never had sex with a man and never will, but it is still not the place of the government to be involved in marriage at all. If you want a contract with a same sex partner, go to a lawyer and make a contract and set up the guide lines you want set for your relationship and life, then make it legal.

You had better re-read your constitution. We have the right to pursue happiness.

Well, logic follows that you pursue something in order to achieve it!  NO?

It is the governments role to protect our borders

The government's job is to protect rights.  The Military's job is to protect our borders, which falls under protecting our rights!

You are wrong "marriage" has been made a contract. It is a covenant

Uh, if it's a convenant, why do you need a contract?  Marriage is a societal construct and is outside the bounds of a "covenant".  Covenants have no bearing on legal contracts, though one can certainly have both.

Keep up with the conversation.

Seems you're the one having a bit of trouble with that one!

Wrong again refer to line one

Correct, you're wrong again!

What part of moral do you not understand?

Back at ya!  Please, enlighten us!

The bulk of the people or law makers making laws does not make it right or wrong.

And your point?

You really make little sense.

Laughable!  It seems you're the one making NO sense!

Again re-read the questions.

Seems you're the one having trouble with comprehension.

Morality is proper behavior or doing what is right.

Now, I realize it might take a bit of brain power and you seem to be low on it, but please define "right".

The problem with your definition is you do not seem to know the difference between right and wrong nor do you know the "Truth" or the foundation of all truth.

My definition?  Do you even understand the function of language?  I think not!

It all boils down to "faith" whether you believe life just happened or God created, it requires faith because if you were not there you don't know, youonly believe.

I'm not the one making claims, you are.  So, were you there?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What makes it the government business of what we do with our liberty?

It's the government's business when our liberties are denied, that's the reason for laws.  The laws protect our rights.

Why is the government involved in marriage anyway?

Precisely!  The only role government plays is to initiate and adjudicate contracts.  Marriage is a contract!

It is in all reality is none of their business.

Correct, it's none of their business... until there is a dispute concerning the contract!

It is their attempt to control the people and try to impose their idea morality on us.

So, you're being forced into a contract against your will?  Please elaborate!  Your morals are being compromised how?

Just look at the action or morals of the politicians we have and tell me they should tell anyone how to live their lives.

I agree 100%!  So, why are these politicians presuming to tell American citizens that they can't get married?

I am not a drug user at all, but it is not the place of the government or job to control it.

Again, I agree 100%!

I have never had sex with a man and never will, but it is still not the place of the government to be involved in marriage at all.

Well bully for you!  I don't really care about your sex life, unless you're forcing someone against their will.  If they're of legal age and they agree, have at it!  And again, I agree that government should stay out of marriage, other than in the contractual agreements by consenting adults!

If you want a contract with a same sex partner, go to a lawyer and make a contract and set up the guide lines you want set for your relationship and life, then make it legal.

I don't want a contract with a same-sex partner, I'm squarely heterosexual, but that's beside the point.  Any contract with any legal adult is none of my business and I really don't care, unless I'm part of said contract.  But I do care that equal citizens are being denied equal status and equal rights, and you should care too!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

GSDtravels

I don't care what you believe, and do not have time to debate all day with you. They problem you have a lack of understanding of the constitution. Plain and simple. It was written on biblical principals in which you have a problem with.  So we can never agree because the foundation of which you believe are different then what I believe so why spend the time.

 

Have a great day, and spend less time being bitter.

Paul