Lucas Vrtovske Doliny - Page 5

 

hahaha Joan this was sure very a dissapointed experience but exactly my point.

 

about Duke I know him a litle bit I,m sure he know the differents between a real dog and a sport dog  who doing great performance only in the routine exercises.

 

Yes, I'm sure he does. That's why I said 'alibying' :-)

joan the problem with some of you is that you dont see any other than your own dogs and your own trainingplace, I work 20 plus dogs a week and test another ten to twenty a week

the dog is not avoiding the stick ,,if you look at almost all different czech trainingplaces, also the top IPO people you will see that most dogs fight this way now, many toptrainers from all over europe come to train in czech on regular base and Czech helpers are the best in the world right now, being asked on seminairs worldwide.

but you will know better obviously LOL

Just calling it as I see it. 
Don't see any other than my own dogs? How do you know that?
And what is the market for Czech dogs? Yes, so what is the best way to meet the demand? Numbers, volume = assembly line/cooky cutter training
Big money in selling dogs from Czech, lots of money.

How is KNPV not a routine exercise and not a sport?

the decoys make no fight at all. They stand like a wall and the dog hits them same like they trained since a puppy.

no decoy driving the dog. A long stick hit on entry.

Then an escape bite in another exercise.

I am missing the mental pressure part or how its not more than prey work on a suit that's well rehearsed.

Never seen it live so assume I am missing something.

 

One detail I noticed the @ 1.29 the dog is not barking to the man or helper
but the second person behind( dog is not man focused) !!! So I wonder how many tricks this dog have in his
training program that is why I will never buy one dog from a video I will always testing him myself in real life and see him  in different  trainingdays  and decoys.

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you are flat out wrong Joan, how many classifieds you see from me here, or on workingdog or even facebook,

zero, zero, zero

I dont advertise pups from my breeding, I sold two or three pups last year from two litters I bred, kept 6 pups myself WOW

the large amount of dogs I supplie go to long time clients who provide policedepartments, army SWAT etc,
I dont need to convince them of the quality I send, they know

as soon as I start sending them dogs that cannot perform what they need im out, simple as that

 

VK so you are saying the stick exercise in KNPV is the same as IPO.... and there
are many many differents in the program and training. Not saying KNPV is perfect ofcourse most exercises are routine but what I say if you will train those program yourself you will see this and can judge better,  i can spend many hours and hours but It wll be a waste of time because you don,t have that  experience if you go to Holland I will invite you to our club than we can talk better and you will understand the program better if you have one day the oppurtunity.

 

PS this discussion is not about IPO vs KNPV  but about a GSD called Lucas in his IPO  performance  so far I can follow

 

No,duke,  I wasn't talking about you personally..I was talking about dogs from Czech as you were referencing the high demand from that country. It's a given, that in order to crank out the volume to meet the demand, an assembly line model must be followed. And the product reflects the model used in cranking them out. That product, while it maybe in high demand, does not nessesarily represent what many disserning owners want in a dog.

 

Ps. Since when does a person have to be a broker, selling dogs t vendors, in order to read a dog's performance in a video?

I know Duke pups are very good, I have 2 of them, nice ones

But Duke, Joan raises points that are logical to me ( me= unexperienced person watching and listening hard) , care to explain in words a unexperienced can understand !!!

I second the results Joanro came up with from watching the male video, sorry Duke, me not trying to provoke you