Does absolute truth exist? - Page 2

Shtal replace every word of god with Allah or Krishna or Zeus or rasta or the flying spaghetti monster......you will see the problem with your reasoning, if you are honest.

all believers BELEIVE HONESTLY IN THEIR OWN RELIGION

vk4 wrote: Shtal replace every word of god with Allah or Krishna or Zeus and etc...

 

I imagine so vk4, I just don’t see a point of arguing things neither of us believe…I am NOT interesting a theory of argumentation here, I am interested in discussing what we believe and if you want to talk about a theory of argumentation, sure…You can put that forward but the question is how do you know things and like it was mention about pagan deity, and I know for certain pagan deity doesn’t exist. And if you want to use pagan or any other religions as your foundation for knowledge, great – let’s debate that pagan deity, but something neither of us believe, it just wasting time…

 

vk4 wrote: all believers BELEIVE HONESTLY IN THEIR OWN RELIGION

 

My world view relies upon is that ONLY the Christian God can be true, and so my dear vk4 if you want to refute my argument you can accept that my Christian world view might be sufficient but you may also try showing or providing validated examples it’s NOT necessarily; if so, my reply to you ONLY if pagan or other God’s exists vk4.

You see vk4, in order to disprove it – that may depend on your densification for proof vk4. What’s was necessary for proof and since anything can happened; like I could say that I can speak gibberish and you can say yes that’s proof for me because you say it’s all subjective but if you want absolute proof, YES then I can go to scripture, as example pagan deity doesn’t exist because God has revealed that other God’s doesn’t exist; that he is the ONLY God, all the rest are idols.

You can’t claim Christian revelation is NOT true; you don’t know that because you can be wrong about everything, and you can be wrong about that too; correct vk4?

Do I have absolute philosophical certainly that Revelation? Is ONLY exclusively from Christian God? And the answer is YES I do!!!

Vk4 and you can give me an answer NO…but you can be WRONG, right? And you may say I could be wrong too but my question how do you know that vk4? Even if you can show examples but you can still be WRONG! And you can say and I could be wrong and I will say how do you know that vk4? This can continue in circles lol…

It is NOT a fact if you can be wrong; you cannot facts to be wrong vk4…A fact that could be false is not a fact vk4, it’s a believe system; it’s believe system that you employ to avoid the God you know it exists. Christianity is a fact…but I am saying you cannot present facts if you can be wrong, that’s my point. And you presenting things as fact, you asking philosophical certainty, but in your first post you deny certainty and you are asking me exactly what I said in the opening statement, this is what going to happened and I appreciate you doing that: Thank you vk4.

With proper understanding while this proof is valid, (no one needs this proof) the Bible teaches us that there are 2 types of people in this world, those who profess the truth of God's existence and those who suppress the truth of God's existence. The options of 'seeking' God, or not believing in God are unavailable. The Bible never attempts to prove the existence of God as it declares that the existence of God is so obvious that we are without excuse for not believing in Him.

Romans 1 vs. 18 - 21 says:

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

God does not send people to Hell for denying what they do not know, but for sin against the God that they do know.

Vk4,

People are NOT “send” to hell for denying what they don’t know, as it made abidingly clear – vk4 knows that God exist, he is suppressing the truth about him. God gave vk4 the air he breathe, the food he eats and the mind he reasons with. But Vk4 chose NOT to give God the praise and the glory that he deserves. If vk4 does NOT repent for his denial of God he is going to hell.

Vk4 said the based on his understanding what it means to be a Christian that he rather go to hell, you see that is nothing to do with whether or not God exists, that is vk4 declaring even if God exists he rather go to hell. Think about it, will it be more likely that someone in that position would profess to believe in God? Or it would be more likely someone in that position to suppress believe in God and openly advocating against existence as vk4 does.

Why vk4 is here in my thread? Vk4 is simply trying to bolster his denial in God and trying to take as many people alone with him as he can. Remember rather than repent - vk4 decided to align himself with other atheists and joint them and spreading their victory all against God. Now vk4 saying he rather go to hell maybe constant with atheism but folks vk4 does NOT know what he is talking about.

Vk4 will NOT be pleased with hell and he will have eternity to think about it. There is hope for vk4 thou and all of the readers on this forum who is in vk4’s shoes. Vk4 is not special case; in fact each and every one of us deserves hell for sinning against God that we know exists, but God sends his son to pay the price for sinners by dying to death that we deserved.

For those who put their faith in Jesus Christ and accept what he has done for them? No eye have seen nor ear has heard unspeakable glory that God has stored for them. But folks becoming Christian solely to get to heaven would be on par with calling mechanic to get broken down car towed back your house? No, we want it fixed!!! Salvation in Jesus Christ is NOT mearing to save your soul for next life but save your reasoning among other things right now. Jesus Christ said I am the way and the truth and the life; there is no life without Jesus Christ, just contradiction, inconsistency and misery.

Sure you may enjoy some of the God’s common grace now but without Jesus Christ, this is the best it’s going to get for you. I read and understand vk4’s dilemma on this forum. He had some difficult times in his life. Vk4 does not suppress God for intellectual reasons but for emotional once, please pray that vk4 come to know that this ONLY hope in this life and the next is Jesus Christ and that he come to accept him as his Lord and Saver. Vk4, I want to urge again to repent for denying the God you know exists and turn to seek the truth. Thank you.

Shtal.

Shtal again nothing you said could not be said by a Muslim. etc. And er how did people know about scripture before the bible and people isolated after the bible like tribes in the forest. they all go to hell to? Seems harsh.