hillery can't stop - Page 12

The English did invade other countries, including yours. Yes, the English invaded other countries as Britain but I was commenting on the English aspect of the Leave movement contrasted with the English aspect of empire building. If the English did not want to invade other countries then Britain would not have invaded other countries. I hope that clears things up.

Not really, but I don't feel the need to go back to the history of England invading Scotland. I'm not interested in the past , only the future. Lang mae yer lum reek .

Breaking news - AP accuses Trump of paying bribes to Texas and Florida after they dropped cases against Trump U. Also, more and more long time GOP members are leaving the GOP over Trump and his racist ways.

While not wishing to start a border war with my friends in the North, I do however feel I should point out the large number of Scottish politicians and intellectuals who formed part of the BRITISH Government / Establishment during those decades when the bulk of the British Empire was being created ... Just a thought !

Exactly. British Government, not English Government. 👍

@Hundmutter, I understand what you're saying, I'm half English, but my point in separating English from British when talking about the Leave movement is that its racist and/or anti-immigration motivation is coming most strongly from the English. Scotland is part of Great Britain and played a part in empire building but unlike England did not vote to to leave. If I were to say that the British were motivated by those anti-immigrant and racist sentiments it would be unfair to Scotland.

Anyway, from what I've been reading it seems that the older someone was the more likely he was to vote to leave. So the people who will have to live with this vote the longest voted to remain.

1. I have carefully distinguished in my own posts by using "English" where I did not wish to slur Scottish voters with a preference for leaving the EU.

2. The enormous extent to which men of Scottish origin participated in the UK's earlier Empire-building does not in the least excuse Scotland from the less laudable endeavours of the UK throughout its history; indeed the Scottish population as a whole (although moreso the wealthier members of it) benefitted considerably from the wealth of Empire, and of slavery, just as did the English. I am neutral on the result of the earlier, Scottish, Referendum although I lean to the belief the country is better IN the 'UK' than out of it - although I do understand the Scots desire to stay in the EU now, if they can.

3. I am old enough to have voted to join Europe in the first Referendum, & have never regretted the UK's entry into Europe, though with absolutely no illusions, and being aware that there have been some bad decisions. These are financial, rather than of the "straight banana" nonsense variety. On balance, even though its not the Europe union of states that I would have always preferred, it has been to our benefit to be a Member - with clear improvements on Human Rights, Disability Legislation, Wildlife preservation and a host of other things. Our own 'local' legislation on all those matters will now have to be developed, with a consequent enormous cost in time and taxpayers money, to catch up and come into line - and with a Tory government we may likely lose more than we gain, for all that that process will be so expensive. And 'the young', despite media stirring, are not the only ones who will suffer the consequences of that. Add to which no monies the UK currently pays into the EU will suddenly overnight be available for 'us' to spend differently, because coming out of the EU is a lengthy process. All of which detracts from our politicians' and civil servants' ability to get on with the 'day to day' - believe me, we will ALL suffer from this decision; and it is by no means sure that, even if the bigots' wish to be out of the EU supposedly clears the way for them to get their will on immigration issues, any real differences are likely to happen in that direction either.

With friends like Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Donald Trump sure as hell doesn’t need any enemies.

During an appearance on the ABC show “This Week,” the Kentucky Senator was asked directly if he thinks Trump is even qualified to be President of the United States. McConnell said he would “leave that to the American people to decide.”

McConnell then tried to dig his way out of the hole he had just dug for himself, adding:

“It’s a long time until November. And the burden, obviously, will be on him to convince people that he can handle this job.”

Wow! That’s about as lukewarm as you can get when asked about the presumptive nominee of your party.

Senator Turtle also made it clear that Trump will not be writing the GOP platform, telling host George Stephanopoulos:

“If you look at the platform that will be written at our convention, we are not changing the basic principles that Republicans believe in. Our nominee may not agree with every single one of those but the Party will remain America’s conservative party.”

What about a total ban on Muslims? Will that be in platform? McConnell:

“It’s my expectation that the platform will be a traditional Republican platform, not all that different from the one we had four years ago.”

Seeking clarification, Stephanopoulos asked:

“So it won’t be Mr. Trump’s platform?”

To that, McConnell replied:

“It’ll be the platform of the Republican Party and I don’t expect it to differ that much from the platform we had four years ago.”

Translation: There is no way in hell the GOP will put a Muslim ban, or a wall on the border, in their platform. And if Donald Trump doesn’t like that, they really don’t care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BUUy1C0_4g&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 Sanders can go puke his guts out in peace now. I really feel for the guy. The deal with the devil swallowed him right up. He couldn't leave the convention floor fast enough.

 

The next chapters are going to be a wild ride. I am feeling a bit queasy already, myself.