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@Joan

Your personal experience is pretty typical. I was never taught by nuns myself, but the stereotype sure is out there. I am not going to try to change your mind or anyone else's mind about anything. Agreed. Why I have to keep repeating that bit for it to sink in, is beyond me.
(Last comment is made in general, not just you.)
I merely point out that there is a flaw in the thinking if one thinks the doubters and the believers have anything other than a stalement when it comes to demanding proof with either camps' assertions vs. beliefs.

That is truth.

Well, even though you refuse to address me directly, my points still stand, you're wrong, no stalemate exists. The doubters are taking your knowledge claims into consideration and denying them for lack of evidence, period. Burden of proof rests with the one making the claim.

@GSD    I flipped a switch and got the editor back. That makes me happy! 

"If you call out God eventually you may just be lucky. Because you prayed to a Non existant being does not mean your prayer was answered, could've just dumb luck."

Now, you said, "could've" which leaves a little wiggle room.  Of course, this part of the conversation has to end pretty much here, because the only place to go now with a discussion of miracles involving a higher power, is the discussion of faith. I got that one pretty much covered on your end, no sense beating a dead horse.

The exception to the end of this entire conversation though, is the stalemate of proof. Or, what your side likes to call proof. All the so called "proof" that is stacked up, really is only about discoveries. There is no scientific proof to recreate a universe and all living creatures— complete with a working hypothesis and double blind studies to confirm, anything that creates life. Man, only manipulates, he does not create something from nothing. Stalemate. 

Whatever started the whole ball of wax, remains unknown, and singular. There is no proof that what began it all is repeatable. To say so, is only a guess. No proof: STALEMATE. 

Bee, there is not a stalemate. That's rediculous for you to keep saying stalemate. The nuns could not explain any of their assertions and I still don't see any proof for what they tried to get me to accept as truth and obviously you can't either.
The bible is not provable as fact any more than proof can be shown for the god Thor and his 'family'...

"Thor was one of the most important and famous gods in Norse mythology. He was the son of Odin and Fyorgyn, the earth goddess. Thor was considered the storm-weather god of sky and thunder and also a fertility god. His wife was Sif, a goddess also linked to fertility."
Thor - Ancient History Encyclopedia

PS. Maybe the 'truth' is that jeebus was born to Sif and not virgin mamma mary. Could be....

Joan you are missing the point. What is being called "proof" by man (or the wiz's on this board) is not proof for their assertions for a universe without a maker. All the science theory and laws are only discoveries of an observation, not a cause. For instance, man didn't create gravity. He discovered gravity. How gravity first became necessary for existence is not proven. 

As with every other discovery in science. Think about the tree falling in the woods with no one to hear it scenario for further illustration. All this bro-hahah with space and black holes are not proving anything, except what has already transpired. It doesn't make it repeatable by man.

That essence of the beginning will always remain a mystery, no matter how many discoveries are made, and that means God can never be disproved.

No proof. Equals: STALEMATE. When man can recreate the creation of the universe, I might be convinced to rethink my stance. Until then... STALEMATE.

Also, being disrespectful towards someone else's faith belief is pretty cool for this site, and I do see it as encouraged, acceptable and hypocritical as one is hopping from their own "high horses". Good thing I got my big girl waders on! And I don't know what you mean by the slang in your last sentence.

 

So gravity and the bible are the same? BTW, gravity was described and named, like water was not 'discovered', but properties described and named...h2o, wet, frozen, etc. How was god 'discovered'?
Answer...god was not 'discovered', but was created...just the opposite of gravity.

Lol, Uh, no and that was never the implication. Or, the meaning of my post.
I am not going to waste time on obtuseness.

I sure was trying to play nice with ya! But if history starts to repeat itself....this conversation is done.

"But if history starts to repeat itself...this conversation is done."

LOL, then the conversation was over before it began, because facts don't change :)
You weren't trying to play nice, you were trying to win a game of words and you lost... miserably.

I sure was trying to play nice with ya! But if history starts to repeat itself....this conversation is done.​

 

I know what I said and I know what I meant. And I said what I meant.

Looks like I am getting a little help from a friend! This pertains to my original challenge. I think it is very apropos and some people here might actually learn something about facts.

Antiquities 18: Chapter 3

Josephus mentions the crucifixion of Jesus in passing. The passage is judged authentic by most scholars once the obvious Christian additions (marked here in brackets and italics) are removed:

Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, [if it be lawful to call him a man;] for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher [of such men as receive the truth with pleasure,] He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. [He was the Christ.] And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, (9) those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; [for he appeared to them alive again the third day; (10) as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him.] And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.

In the very next paragraph Josephus recounts the crucifixion in Rome of the priests of Isis, ordered by the Emperor Tiberius himself, for their misdeeds in arranging the sexual seduction of a virtuous women.

https://clas-pages.uncc.edu/james-tabor/archaeology-and-the-dead-sea-scrolls/josephus-references-to-crucifixion/