Aggressive Puppy - Page 10

Let me explain, I have nothing to sell. Neither services nor dogs. What I want to get across to newbies (a term I use with no disrespect intended) is that you bought a puppy for a reason. You wanted some demonstrable result to manifest itself at some point in its development. In fact, before you even purchased it the breeder should have been made aware of what your expectations were and made sure, as best as is possible, that the puppy you bought would be capable of meeting them. I can't tell you how to specifically train your puppy but I will say that you need to find a method and/or trainer with a record of proven results that match your expectations. There may be more than one proven way to achieve the results you want. It's up to you to research and get as much information as you can about the different PROVEN methods and/or trainers and decide which one is best for you. It may come down to which one you are most comfortable with or believe you are capable of actually doing. Just don't forget that what is most important is that you are training for the result you want and that the method and/or trainer has a proven record of success. Don't get sucked into being sold a method. Don't get sucked into choosing a method based on an appeal to your ego. A good trainer will sell you on his proven results which will be easily verified.

Noityou no dog ever goes through life without disobeying a command no matter if the have a Bh ipo. And if u think the will well dream on

That is probably true however we can only assume that because it can't be proven true. But that's me being picky about details in logic. With that said, it doesn't necessarily follow that disobedience should be corrected negatively, or at all, every time. There could be a very good reason why he isn't obeying. He might have more information in a given circumstance than you. But again, that's me being picky.

Regardless, it doesn't mean that one training method is better than another. I personally don't believe in positive only but if it works for someone else I am not so governed by a sense of omniscience that I would presume to tell him he is wrong or call him inept. I would judge his methods and abilities on his results. If it works then no matter what I believe to be true will change that fact. And I would have no desire to even try and create the impression that it doesn't work or only worked because of luck. I don't need to build up a sales pitch by tearing others down.

noitsyou  said:  " I personally don't believe in 'positive only' but if it works for someone else I am not so governed by a sense of omniscience that I would presume to tell him he is wrong or inept."

 

Good Luck mate; I've been trying to make that very point for about 6 years on PDB.  Still feels like wading uphill through mud.  It may be that it is never, or nearly never, true with teaching bitework to large working breeds - but that does not mean it isn't true and completely successful for other dogs in all sorts of training, for Obedience (alone), or other sports, or assistance, or scent work, and so on. Certainly no excuse for ANY 'Trainer' to slag off every other Trainer who only  works with Positive method, as though there is no denying their word, a la Peter Caine.  Especially to 'pet' owners. Strikes me that the need to do this is an indication that said "trainer" has such little confidence in the success of his own methods and knowledge that he feels he has to "get in first" by saying how dreadful everyone who uses positive methods only is; as well as showing he has zero intelligence and flexibility and imagination.  All of those are attributes I want to see before I would employ or work with any trainer of any dog, for any purpose, that I had an interest in.

I think most of the newbies can ascertain who generally is making the most sense in these discussions. I have always maintained that there is no dogmatic way of training that is the " right" way....except in some folks mind. There are many different approaches effective based on the individual dog, the individual ability of the trainer, and the desired result sought.

it is my believe that both in dogs and humans, youngsters grow up to be better individuals if they are aware of boundries,
now in learning or finding out boundries I agree that (bad) experience is the best teacher, ( I told my son a dozen times the stove is too hot to touch, but he truly believed me after he found out for himself)

now we can wait for a dog (or child) to find out by experience, but we dont have all life to wait for experiences to happen, so we have tool of correctional training which I think is something we should use in training, for some softer dogs it should be used less and for stubborn, dominant, high drive dogs it will be used more often

In training dogs I think it is possible to teach or make a dog understand a certain desired behaviour by using positive motivation only, however when you want the dog to obey you under all circomstances you will not get by without correctional training

there will allways become moments when other triggers will overrule your positively tought command and you will be helpless when that happens

at this point it will be helpfull if the dog has linked disobeying with a bad experience so to speak that will ake him think twice before disobeying and your vocal command will overrule other triggers

Well said Gustav

The best dog trainers are flexible and can train every individual charactar

Gustav said, "I think most of the newbies can ascertain who generally is making the most sense in these discussions. I have always maintained that there is no dogmatic way of training that is the " right" way....except in some folks mind. There are many different approaches effective based on the individual dog, the individual ability of the trainer, and the desired result sought."

You are entitled to your opinion but mine differs. I believe most newbies can't. If they could, and this applies to all areas of life, people would not get taken in by con men. I'm not saying anyone here is a con man because that is a very serious charge. What I am saying is that people tend to put their trust in people who are able to convince them of their credentials. Those same people should be able to prove those credentials.

The best dog trainers are flexible and can train every individual character.

There are many different approaches effective based on the individual dog, the individual ability of the trainer, and the desired result sought.

There will always become moments when other triggers will overrule your positively taught command and you will be helpless when that happens

 

What I,m trying to say Gigante not every trainer have the luggage
able to train every dog because this needs experience on the field
If you not have luggage and have trained different and difficult charactars with good results you
can,t be flexible to switch over  easy to an other charactar.

So if you wanna be flexible you need also that experience

And dog training on level is not an invidual sport but you do it always together

and if you lucky you have good handlers and a team around you.