Colorado Show, Trial, AD and Körung -SV Judge Arth - Page 4

Thank you Matt. If you are in the area, join us. It will be a lot of fun.

wildcats, I see that you've just joined this forum... welcome :) I'm not a member of Holdie club nor I know her in person but lets take it into consideration that she paid a lot of money into building her facility. She has every right to be a "control freak" as far as your concern. I do think Sharyn is a responsible breeder and trainer. I have a lot of respect for her. So what if her dogs didn't do to good at their last trial??? I don't know if Sharyn gets nervous when she trials but I do... When I first trialed my Male, Jake, who is "not" a breeding dog I was so nervous that Jake did not do very good because he scent me being nervous.. Jake did however passed and I am grateful for that but he could of done better. Theirs tons of reasons why dogs don't pass and that doesn't mean their bad dogs, just they sometimes have bad days, just like humans. Dogs do deserve to have some bad days, even during trialing. Why are you judging Sharyn by her past posts on this forum? Maybe she changed some of her opinions and ideas? I know when I search thru mine I sometimes tell my self "Why did I say that!??!" People change, like me, you and everybody else. Don't judge on her past. Anyhow im done with this as I do not want to go further more into this details.

End this please. It shows that you just do not deserve the dogs you have. Hodie, you are becoming more sympathetic to me by each and every post that tries to do the contrary. It is absolutely under the belt to attack one of your dogs. So, please do not rise to the occassion. I just got back on but this is absolutely disgusting. Sunny

I appreciate your good insights and tolerance Brittany, and yours as well Sunny.

Sharyn, I would have loved to have entered my boy in your recent show--but for your stringent requirements. OK, so I fly, then a health certificate (which the airlines rarely examine--even for international travel) is a given. In California, this costs upward of $40. If I were to have further veterinary verification of your other requirements, this would cost ~$100. I do not have my dogs on Heartguard as there is no reservoir for heartworm infection in my area. I have lived here and have shown thoughout the West Coast for many years--at the risk of potentially playing "Russian Roulette". I don't routinely worm my own adult dogs. If I wish to do a heartworm check or fecal exam, I can do it with my own binocular, oil immersion microscope. If I found it necessary to worm them, I have a supply of fenbendazole (the 10% suspension for cattle or goats). Yes, I know this does not work for Coccidia (which my dogs have never had). Furthermore, except for rabies (unfortunately, required by law), I vaccinate (not with polyvalent vaccines) my own dogs. I don't give the adult dogs routine boosters. According to current veterinary thinking and research, yearly vaccinations are not necessary and may even be contraindicated. Of course, when I've sent my dogs off to trainers for titling, I have vaccinated them for EVERYTHING--including for Giardia. I have never received any negative feedback from breeders who ship/leave (sometimes for as long as 3 weeks) their lovely bitches here to be bred to my studs. They only comment that their bitches look great--better than they did when they came to me. Despite my training skills, and years of experience in the field of veterinary medicine, you would still require written documentation to accept my entries. No exceptions... Anyhow, I wish you continued success with your lovely kennel, breeding/titling program, and with your club's shows/trials. Louise

Sharyn, I would have loved to have entered my boy in your recent show--but for your stringent requirements. OK, so I fly, then a health certificate (which the airlines rarely examine--even for international travel) is a given. In California, this costs upward of $40. If I were to have further veterinary verification of your other requirements, this would cost ~$100. I do not have my dogs on Heartguard as there is no reservoir for heartworm infection in my area. I have lived here and have shown thoughout the West Coast for many years--at the risk of potentially playing "Russian Roulette". I don't routinely worm my own adult dogs. If I wish to do a heartworm check or fecal exam, I can do it with my own binocular, oil immersion microscope. If I found it necessary to worm them, I have a supply of fenbendazole (the 10% suspension for cattle or goats). Yes, I know this does not work for Coccidia (which my dogs have never had). Furthermore, except for rabies (unfortunately, required by law), I vaccinate (not with polyvalent vaccines) my own dogs. I don't give the adult dogs routine boosters. According to current veterinary thinking and research, yearly vaccinations are not necessary and may even be contraindicated. Of course, when I've sent my dogs off to trainers for titling, I have vaccinated them for EVERYTHING--including for Giardia. I have never received any negative feedback from breeders who ship/leave (sometimes for as long as 3 weeks) their lovely bitches here to be bred to my studs. They only comment that their bitches look great--better than they did when they came to me. Despite my training skills, and years of experience in the field of veterinary medicine, you would still require written documentation to accept my entries. No exceptions... Anyhow, I wish you continued success with your lovely kennel, breeding/titling program, and with your club's shows/trials. Louise

Hello Louise, Too bad you did not come to our event although it is some distance for you. I think you would have enjoyed it. Such a show is very different in tone than a Sieger Show, for example, and much more friendly for people who do not have a lot of experience as you do. It was a nice show and I think everyone enjoyed it. Peter Arth is a very nice man and a very good judge. All participants had ample time to talk to him personally. All dogs were measured by the way during the show and it was very interesting to talk to him about how the SV is going about bringing size back down in the dogs. Over all, we had a nice turnout of very nice dogs. Five of the six dogs entered in the Körung passed and two of my dogs gained their KKL Lebenzeit. The trial went well too. Herr Arth was gracious and consistent and fair in his judging that event as well. Because it was beastly hot during the weekend, almost all of the dogs ended up inside in the kennel at one time or another and I turned on the air conditioning. I think people appreciated that I was willing to do that and I was willing to do that because I felt the risk of doing so was marginal for all dogs. No one who participated in the event objected to meeting my requirements as noted. Some do vaccinate themselves, as do I, and all that was required was proof that vaccines were purchased. So yes, had you asked, I would have found a way to accept your measurable experience and your word. In the case of people I personally know, I accepted their word for vaccinations and de-worming. Same was true of the other requirements. There are however, people in the area who do none of this, and that is exactly the person and dog I do not want here. As to frequency of vaccinations, yes, some vets feel we may be over vaccinating, but many do not. The truth is that the proof on this issue as to what are the best protocols to follow is not yet evident . So I accept whatever protocol a given vet uses, with the exception of the bordetella. The requirement for that vaccination is a must and it is for everyone's protection. As for Heartgard, I use it for de-worming once a year perhaps, but, I am reconsidering giving it to all the dogs monthly during the summer and early fall as I have noted mosquitos here this last week. There are not many mosquitoes around and cases of Heartworm are not epidemic in our area, but enough to give pause for concern. In the past, when I travelled with my dogs, because I lived in the mountains where there were no mosquitos, I only gave Heartgard after I had been someplace where there were mosquitos. But, as I said, I may change to giving it just to be safe. When someone comes to this property, whether to train or board, they must meet the requirements and the requirements I have are similar in other kennels/clinics in the area. The requirements have served me well thus far, clients appreciate my rigor and no dogs have left the facility ill or infected. For whatever reason, if someone chooses not to board their dogs here, or train here or participate in an event, that is fine with me. What others do at their events is up to them. Finally, all the people at this event, contrary to many at the recent USA Sieger Show (where by the second day the area was littered with feces), picked up after their dogs. I was very pleased to know some people still have manners and am very pleased with the people who came here and had a good time. Many pitched in to help in one way or another, including cooking and financially and that was much appreciated. All in all I think we had a nice event. And I did spring for some medallions even Brittany! Louise, it was nice to finally meet you at the Sieger Show and I wish you continued success as well. Sharyn

Hello Louise, Too bad you did not come to our event although it is some distance for you. I think you would have enjoyed it. Such a show is very different in tone than a Sieger Show, for example, and much more friendly for people who do not have a lot of experience as you do. It was a nice show and I think everyone enjoyed it. Peter Arth is a very nice man and a very good judge. All participants had ample time to talk to him personally. All dogs were measured by the way during the show and it was very interesting to talk to him about how the SV is going about bringing size back down in the dogs. Over all, we had a nice turnout of very nice dogs. Five of the six dogs entered in the Körung passed and two of my dogs gained their KKL Lebenzeit. The trial went well too. Herr Arth was gracious and consistent and fair in his judging that event as well. Because it was beastly hot during the weekend, almost all of the dogs ended up inside in the kennel at one time or another and I turned on the air conditioning. I think people appreciated that I was willing to do that and I was willing to do that because I felt the risk of doing so was marginal for all dogs. No one who participated in the event objected to meeting my requirements as noted. Some do vaccinate themselves, as do I, and all that was required was proof that vaccines were purchased. So yes, had you asked, I would have found a way to accept your measurable experience and your word. In the case of people I personally know, I accepted their word for vaccinations and de-worming. Same was true of the other requirements. There are however, people in the area who do none of this, and that is exactly the person and dog I do not want here. As to frequency of vaccinations, yes, some vets feel we may be over vaccinating, but many do not. The truth is that the proof on this issue as to what are the best protocols to follow is not yet evident . So I accept whatever protocol a given vet uses, with the exception of the bordetella. The requirement for that vaccination is a must and it is for everyone's protection. As for Heartgard, I use it for de-worming once a year perhaps, but, I am reconsidering giving it to all the dogs monthly during the summer and early fall as I have noted mosquitos here this last week. There are not many mosquitoes around and cases of Heartworm are not epidemic in our area, but enough to give pause for concern. In the past, when I travelled with my dogs, because I lived in the mountains where there were no mosquitos, I only gave Heartgard after I had been someplace where there were mosquitos. But, as I said, I may change to giving it just to be safe. When someone comes to this property, whether to train or board, they must meet the requirements and the requirements I have are similar in other kennels/clinics in the area. The requirements have served me well thus far, clients appreciate my rigor and no dogs have left the facility ill or infected. For whatever reason, if someone chooses not to board their dogs here, or train here or participate in an event, that is fine with me. What others do at their events is up to them. Finally, all the people at this event, contrary to many at the recent USA Sieger Show (where by the second day the area was littered with feces), picked up after their dogs. I was very pleased to know some people still have manners and am very pleased with the people who came here and had a good time. Many pitched in to help in one way or another, including cooking and financially and that was much appreciated. All in all I think we had a nice event. And I did spring for some medallions even Brittany! Louise, it was nice to finally meet you at the Sieger Show and I wish you continued success as well. Sharyn

When a fecal sample is submitted to a vet, that clinic has no proof that it came from a particular dog. Scenario: the fecal is positive for a certain parasite and I choose to use my own fenbendazole. Then, after treatment, a second fecal exam must be done by the vet. Even proof of vaccination may only carry dog's "call" name and not the registered name on an entry form. Anyhow, I'm sure I would have enjoyed your show and visiting with you. Maybe some day, (1) if I can get a cheap airfare, (2) find a good handler who is going to the show without being flown in by me, and (3) and have a chance for my dog to go V1 (without having to compete with an already VA dog). Perhaps,then, I would jump through some of your hoops ;-)! Louise

For what it is worth, we rarely have VA dogs in our events. Because I do not let everyone bring their own helper, they boycott me for that reason. Others do the same for their own reasons. We had a great handler and flew him in to help handle some of our dogs. If you need a good handler, let me know privately via email and I will gladly recommend him. Airfare bought in advance can be pretty cheap. Heck, our SV Judge was kind enough to buy his ticket in advance and it cost me about $400 less than the previous shows just for the airfare! As for "cheating", I can not prevent it. But generally those who come here are well known to me and honorable. Those who are not are not welcome.