Buying a titled dog for breeding?? - Page 2

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Not every dog can be titled so a breeder has to work with many dogs to get that 1 special dog, the reality is that the breeders are very busy and dont have time to spend on training 100 dogs to get that 1 dog, in that case he wont be able to train

I would say if a breeder has a 99% failure rate to breed a dog capable of getting a title, there is something wrong with the breeding program.

Margaret N-J

There can be only 1 winner, sometimes few. They all strive for it but only few will make it.

Its like brad pitt and angalina joli kids - how many will be actors and how many would be sexy

There are breeders who buy pre-titled dogs that can consistently produce the necessary traits for work.  Conversely, there are breeders who regularly work their dogs, who couldn't give away their offspring to someone seriously considering schutzhund.  Perhaps a proper regard for research could make a difference in their case.  Titles are simply not the only answer, even the SV finds significance in pedigrees and ZW ratings.

"I would say if a breeder has a 99% failure rate to breed a dog capable of getting a title, there is something wrong with the breeding program."

And the answer to the problem is probably not in titling the producers.  For the dogs that can produce well, I wouldn't suppose their offspring benifited from their parents title, either.  They probably would have done as nicely before their achieved titles.

What it boils down to, and I think most here would agree; is that by training and getting to really know your dog, you would have a far greater understanding of what he/she will produce.  Because, if you don't see a representation of the character traits that you desire in the offspring from the producers you're using, there's a very low liklihood of finding it in the latent genetic contribution of its ancestors.

You'll have more satisfactory results by starting with the best representations you can find or afford to produce with, and matching them to mates that will compliment and reinforce the characteristics you desire for your breeding.

A breeder would do better to learn how to maintain these traits in their lines, and to create prepotent producers, before dabbling to resurface them from watered down populations.  I don't buy into the "crapshoot" theories that are abound.

gsds4fun,

If your going to breed solely on title's your better off than not, but titles are not the total worth of a dog and do not represent the whole of the dog.   

Then to what are you breeding for?   Title's or a total package?  Or only for money? 

I see people buying top titled dog's and then breeding them for profit everyday.    Maybe thats why there are problem's with health and temperment.    Know your dog's, know their qualities and weakness's.  And then throw the dice, there are no guarantee's.   Selective breeding takes time and knowledge, but mostly time and the test of the dog's abilities.

A title is not enough for me.   I have to know the dog and see what it is, not read about it.   And any given mating can have any outcome.  And that outcome takes time to see.

Moon's.

these days any tom dick and harry can be a breeder just buy two title dogs and put them togather very much what back yard breeders do minus titles.no one is really breeding for any real reason again same thing as back yard breeders.as for as someone gave example of Mike Deihl.Mike can not take all the credit for that dog i have seen taht dog work he came to US and let me tell you whoever put the foundation in that dog did an amazing job.and also does not hurt to have Grim and Pikes blood in you.every one is a breeder these days.have a nice one.

Very good point Held. It dose take a lot to bring up a dog, and is in my personal opinion the hardest thing to do, I am glad to see that Mike was able to use the dog to it's full potential he dose deserve the credit for that, but let's not forget people that build that dog's foundation.

Wow!  Lots of great opinions, thanks to everyone.  I never really knew so many people felt this strongly about this.  It definately gives me a different point of view.  Thank you