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Koots

by Koots on 13 November 2018 - 02:11

Valk - I think of 'hunt' drive as the desire to search for and find things. We use this for finding lost people, object (may be evidence) search, etc. Dogs with high hunt drive will search for something until they find it or all called off from the search by handler. 

To me, 'prey drive' is fundamental to the pursuit and catch of the dog's food source. Of course we use this to stimulate going after a flirt pole, tug, sleeve, decoy, bad guy, etc. Prey drive is a far-reaching term, and some may consider hunt drive as a type or sub-set of prey drive.

Of course, others ideas/opinions may vary.Wink SmileTeeth Smile

by duke1965 on 13 November 2018 - 06:11

@ koots, would say its quite accurate, general term preydrive can be split up in different desires, searching, catching and keeping, and we find these three in various levels in each dogs

 


by ValK on 13 November 2018 - 16:11

I think of 'hunt' drive as the desire to search for and find things. We use this for finding lost people, object (may be evidence) search, etc. Dogs with high hunt drive will search for something until they find it or all called off from the search by handler.

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secret services in communist countries used this breed of dogs in covert operations as sniffer dog to search for hidden stash in public places, identify unknown person by scent, track suspect's movement, etc.
how much do you think those dogs have hunt/prey, if they are bred to spend most of their life on lap of their owners?

by joanro on 13 November 2018 - 16:11

Valk, they are dogs first, no matter where they like to sit.

I have seen tiny toy fox terriers with hunt drive, hunting out rodents and also spend the evenings sitting in heir owner's lap.

Are you denying that dogs possess hunt drive?

by ValK on 13 November 2018 - 16:11

Joan, it's not about the size but about purpose.
tiny dog can be bred to hunt rodents but toy breeds are bred to make minimum behavioral inconveniences for their owner.
nose work isn't about hunt/prey. it's just the way, how dogs of any breed lives and explore the world.

by joanro on 13 November 2018 - 17:11

But its all about the degree to which they use their nose...just sniffing interesting smells, or actually using the nose to follow a scent or seek out a scent...yes, even tiny pet breeds of dogs retain the hunt drive.

Agree to disagree with you.

Loriv

by Loriv on 13 November 2018 - 18:11

I have a nice female with very high hunt drive. Doing really well at tracking and nosework. Natural tracking ability as a puppy. She does have high prey drive and good defense, but is very social. Not sure if the sociability is genetic or environment as I was able to bring her to work with me every day.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2502933-billie-von-der-edelweissbrucke
 

darylehret

by darylehret on 16 November 2018 - 11:11

I don't seem to get a lot of dogs with remarkable hunt drive in my breeding. I'd suppose about "one per litter" seems to constantly examine their surroundings through their nose and carries an abundant desire to find what's not immediately found.

I often wonder how heritable hunt drive is in other lines, but assume is much better across different breeds. But even when I have a good hunt drive dog, many are too aggressive or defensive for SAR work. A disoriented person in wilderness SAR may think the dog a threat for example, wave a branch as an improvised weapon to defend themselves, and all hell would break loose. Also to consider, Sable GSDs are too similar to coyote or wolf-like appearance in my region, but a brightly noticeable SAR vest would help comfort some concern about the dog's safety.

by Gustav on 16 November 2018 - 12:11

Some dogs see throw their nose.....an expression from old timers.
Koots

by Koots on 16 November 2018 - 14:11

Gustav - have you noticed any particular dog(s) that produce good hunt drive?

Daryl - my dog has good hunt drive but he doesn't care about/for strangers and interacting/playing with the 'lost' person is very important to training a SAR dog.



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