Olex de Valsory puppy wanted - Page 2

Molly, you did inquire and were turned down.  That's no doubt why you're so bitter about it.  I will post the DNA results from my Olex pups right here on this thread when they come back.  I want the entire world to see that you have made a fool of yourself with this nonsense.

Regards,

Diane Seaman

I never inquired about Olex for any of  my females, so was never "turned down".  I did inquire on this board "where are the Olex puppies" and found good reason not to sink the $1000 stud fee into a dog that wasn't producing any puppies :)

I do hope that your litter is indeed sired by Olex - if so they are the only Olex puppies sired in this country - that would be very exciting if true.  the dog would have been an excellent addition to the bloodlines in this country, had he produced anything while he was here.  I'd like proof that he has - as I've said many times!  So far no proof has come.  And no puppies out of how many females bred to him?  Except for yours, of course.  Will you be breeding your female back to Olex again?

molly

You did inquire via e-mail to Olex's owner on Jan 10th 2007, Molly, but you're right, you weren't turned down.  You were ignored (got no response).  

Like I said, Molly, the DNA results will be posted as soon as they come back.  What will you say then?  Will you want them verified by 10 different independent labs?  I'm sure you'll find something else to whine about, given your record thus far. 

For the "normal" people out there reading this thread (meaning everyone who is not obsessed with nonsense like Molly is), Olex is getting old now and sometimes he produces and sometimes he doesn't.  This happens with many older stud dogs and it's either worth the risk to you to use him or it's not.  I used Olex because I wasn't concerned with litter size, just with litter quality IF I got pups.  I decided it was worth the stud fee and possibly having one of my females miss for the chance to get even ONE Olex puppy. I got lucky and got 4 Olex puppies in the 2 breedings I did.  That was good enough for me, but not good enough for Molly.  Apparently she needs to sell puppies for profit and therefore needs large litters (I guess that's what she's saying???), but I don't.   We all have our goals and we all have to make our own informed decisions.  No problem there at all!

I don't know if I'll breed my female back to Olex.  I'll probably use the Olex son we recently imported, who looks like a clone of Olex and is already Sch3 and Koer'd (while waiting for the others to grow up).  Not sure yet, Molly.  Why do you ask?  I didn't realize my breedings were of such interest to you. 

Regards,

Diane

Your breedings are interesting only because Olex has been bred so many times, to so many females, since he came into this country - and yet your one female was the only one to have ANY puppies sired by him.  That is indeed interesting.  The response to this person interested in finding an Olex puppy is therefore as I said "Good luck" - won't happen.  And if it did happen, make sure to get those pups DNA tested to make sure someone isn't trying to scam you.  Taking a stud fee of $1000 and having NO puppies, and not refunding the stud fee (not from me, I never attempted to breed to Olex) is called FRAUD.    I hope the owner IS ignoring people who inquire about  using Olex, if the dog isn't producing litters.  That would be the honest thing to do.

I do hope your puppies are from Olex, and hope they are as wonderful as they should be sired by him.  If I were you, knowing my female was the ONLY one in the WORLD in several YEARS of breeding Olex to MANY females, I would also want the puppies DNA tested.  And the same if I were interested in buying one.  It's only logical.

molly

Who else has Olex progeny, sired here in the US?  Is he still being bred?

I have an Olex daughter but she was imported. She just had a litter and they are beautiful, very intelligent and all are excellent working prospects.

To the original poster, I'm sorry this thread has become somewhat ugly, but I will not let Molly post lies without responding and must therefore apologize to you for participating in this manner.  I will GIVE you an Olex son, DNA included(!), if you want a solid black one and can prove to me you would provide a suitable home and training for him.  That's the best I can do for you at the moment, but hope you can also find answers to your original question among the rest of this thread. 

SchHBabe, to answer your questions, there have been 2 breedings to Olex that resulted in 2 litters (not one, as Molly stated).  Both of those litters are mine.  The first female had only one puppy, the second female had 3 puppies and I've told you this privately already.  There have been only TWO other outside breedings to Olex (besides mine) in the past year.  TWO plus my TWO equals FOUR, Molly, so if 4 breedings is MANY to you...we have different concepts of the word "many".  2 successful breedings out of 4 equals a 50% success rate, and for an older stud dog that's just the way it goes some times.  I know both people who own the females that were bred to Olex and both of them knew in advance exactly what the odds were and were willing to take the risk.  That's a FAR CRY from "fraud" and you are way out of line, Molly, in using that term here.  I suggest you be more cautious about your choice of words in the future.  Both what you say and what you are implying are very much out of line.  You have no idea what was charged in stud fees (if anything), so you are just throwing out negative comments for no reason at all.

Perhaps Molly is referring to breedings (supposedely) done when Wayne Curry had Olex.  I have no first hand info about that, so will make no comments other than to say I have heard several RUMORS about how much he was used and what the results were.  I only know what's happened since Olex has been here in Kentucky. 

So, bottom line is this:  Olex is getting older and not all females bred to him have litters, but some do. This is not unusual, not unexpected, not even worth discussing exept that Molly seems to think so and can't wait to bring it up every chance she gets for some reason.

This is not how I planned to spend my day today, but I will continue to post on this thread as long as people keep commenting or asking questions.  There is nothing to hide and never has been.  And...I will not allow Molly's false accusations/claims go unanswered. 

Regards,

Diane Seaman

Excuse me, but I will respond by saying that yes MANY females have been bred to Olex, ALL except Diane's have been empty - and some paid stud fees that were not refunded.  As for myself, I inquired about the availability of Olex (where was he located, what was his stud fee, requirements of the female, when his last litter was sired/on the ground), did not receive a return message, that was that.  That is not quite the same as asking about using him (which I didn't) or attempting to arrange a breeding (which I didn't).  I DID ask around about 'where are the litters sired by Olex" and got my answer - there were none since he arrived in the US several YEARS ago.  That is FACT, and the reason I didn't pursue using him at all, not because I was "rejected" by the owner LOL.  Not "bashing" or slander - fact.  Unless you can come up with ANY puppies other than your 4 puppies, that were sired by Olex Diane?  And why are you not counting the MANY females bred to him while Wayne Curry owned him?  ALL of which did not produce? 

Anyway, there are no Olex puppies other than Diane's from Olex in this country.  Only older progeny from before he was imported "nearly sterile".  And I'd still require proof of parentage from those before accepting that they were actually sired by Olex himself.  Or maybe the owner had some frozen semen to use? 

There is nothign wrong with asking questions, finding out the answers for yourself.  My questions about Olex were answered - females bred + no puppies = he's no longer producing.  Proof that I'm wrong would be welcome, as I wish he were producing in this country, he would be an asset to anyone's breeding program if he were.

molly

Sorry, Molly, but I will not excuse you.  You are wrong yet again and there's really no excuse whatsoever for what you're trying to do here. 

That said, as I previously stated, there were 2 breedings besides my females SINCE OLEX HAS BEEN IN KY.  I have no idea what Wayne did or didn't do, who he owes stud fees to, or anything else to do with Wayne Curry.  I paid stud fees and got puppies.  I'm happy.  The other 2 breeders (who are both friends of mine) either paid no stud fee to begin with or are free to use Olex or an Olex straw (collected since Olex has been in KY) as they choose.  They aren't complaining and YOU have nothing to complain about since you have not and will not ever use Olex, so what is this really all about? 

We do agree on one thing, though!  Olex is an outstanding dog and an asset to any breeding program.  I fully agree with you there.  I'm sure the only reason you say that is because you bought Laika bred to an Olex son and have to sell those puppies!  How much planning did you put into that litter, Molly?  Do you know anything at all about the stud dog?

Regards,

Diane

Sorry, Molly, but I will not excuse you.  You are wrong yet again and there's really no excuse whatsoever for what you're trying to do here. 

That said, as I previously stated, there were 2 breedings besides my females SINCE OLEX HAS BEEN IN KY.  I have no idea what Wayne did or didn't do, who he owes stud fees to, or anything else to do with Wayne Curry.  I paid stud fees and got puppies.  I'm happy.  The other 2 breeders (who are both friends of mine) either paid no stud fee to begin with or are free to use Olex or an Olex straw (collected since Olex has been in KY) as they choose.  They aren't complaining and YOU have nothing to complain about since you have not and will not ever use Olex, so what is this really all about? 

We do agree on one thing, though!  Olex is an outstanding dog and an asset to any breeding program.  I fully agree with you there.  I'm sure the only reason you say that is because you bought Laika bred to an Olex son and have to sell those puppies!  How much planning did you put into that litter, Molly?  Do you know anything at all about the stud dog?

Regards,

Diane