Environmental / Civil Training. - Page 2

The decoy at the top of the ladder in the dark - he only had a hidden sleeve on the one leg hence his urgency to ensure the dog took that very leg lol.

First time that dog had been asked to do that particular scenario - his very drive to engage - easily carrying him through. 

My dogs are not looking for a sleeve -  they will bite first body part they reach. (Apart from using hidden enquipment - our extensive use of the muzzle - in various envirnoments re inforces that)

Here is the same dog, a different decoy, a very different kick - and completley un rehearsed.

Not implying this dog had no previous leg bite / civil training - because he had. 

Simply saying that this location / scenario for the dog is unrehearsed.

(Doesn't mean he is a super star or it's rocket science, but it is un rehearsed) 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_1REXxptQ8

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Gee

I am saying before the ipo trial the dog is prepared in prey drive and that takes movement .and I have seen many dogs have there drive build up from a crack of a whip. I even know people who went out to there van a half hour before there dog was on the field to get the dog worked up before there ipo3 . And as I said after 3,4 years training u pretty much have a robot. So what I am saying is all dogs need to be prepared for the activity u want them to do.So answer to second question of course I thin Gees dog has done this before. but as I said before a little help is no harm as long as the dog pushes through

So basically...I just have to take Gee's word that the scenario was never rehearsed, and then we will take Yogi's word that every single IPO dog is warmed up before they go onto the field for the protection phase. Yogi has seen EVERY SINGLE IPO dog before they went onto the field at an IPO trial and they've all been warmed up with a crack of the whip or something like that. That's a lot of trials you've gone to. Interesting I didn't see you at the last trial I was the helper at, where I was the only helper, and there was no cracking of any whips before the protection routine of any dog...since the judge wouldn't have allowed it and would've clearly heard it as there was no way to get far enough away from the field and do that type of warm up without the judge hearing it.

I'm glad we have so much IPO experience on this forum and even have people that have gone to every single trial in history and know exactly how every dog is warmed up before it gets onto the field. It's pretty amazing. That same person, has also seen EVERY SINGLE IPO dog and they're all robots by 3-4 years of age. It's pretty cool to have those types of people on the forum.

Hey Gee...with as small as IPO is in England, and with as great as your dogs and training is, how come none of them made the WUSV team? I mean, your country sent the one dog, would've thought that the other 4 spots could easily be filled by your dogs with the amazing training they seem to not need. They just need the situation presented to them once and they know exactly what to do.

Bw ( Edited Western Rider) that's not what I said .I said I know people who have armed up there dog before a trail.

I deleted the rest of this post it was more than likely inappropriate 

@BW
It's not complicated - my dogs are trained by me.
Don't know where you get that I have said they are not trained.

Regarding scenario stuff, surprised you think it HAS to be rehearsed.
(Explains a lot though)

A decent trained dog with strong nerves and high civil / fight drive - will run through hot coals to get to the bad guy UNREHEARSED.

I choose not to put my dogs through IPO because what you deem protection - is LAME.

Here is an idea though - rather than bad mouthing your fellow IPO folk here in the UK.

Why don't you just show us your dog doing - anything?

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Gee


 

I'm not badmouthing...just funny that you claim how much easier IPO is and how fake it is and yet can't get somewhere in the "easier" venue. Just an interesting observation. How is it possible to badmouth something you've clearly not had experience in or have achieved something in? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

I don't deem IPO as protection, I have never said that at all. All I said was that I could work a dog on a sleeve, in IPO type scenarios, and tell you with pretty good accuracy if the dog's nerve would hold up in a different environment in the same type of scenarios that you're showing your dogs. Of course that would involve training the dog to do so and introducing similar type scenarios to the dog before hand, but even with IPO type scenarios I can get a lot of the same information you get when you push your dogs to do the types of scenarios you like to highlight in your videos.

A good dog is a good dog and can handle both. For most of us, IPO or other sports are easier to train in because they're more available and for most people the draw of a title, possibly breeding the dog the "correct/historical" way is much more interesting than random personal protection training which you then have to show people tons of videos and proof in order to convince them your dog is capable of things.

I don't mind the protection work, you do a good job, you have good dogs. I mind the constant bashing of "sport" training as if it's something lesser. It's the same thing. We chose two different venues. A good dog would succeed in either one.

Ipo is not easy actually it is not easy at all the time and effort that goes into performance there is no room for error the time on the field takes up most of your life the communication that is between handlers and dog is remarkable I have a lot of respect for these people. But I have the same respect for us who do pp. Man work . The effort that goes into that is some times over looked .And what I say is trails are not the b all

@BW
I have never said IPO is easy - EVER, so don't fabricate that, to title a dog is an achievement.

A good dog can handle both, there are many examples on MANY pedigrees which prove that - and long may that continue. (Including my own dogs lineage, Ben Ju to name but 1)

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Gee
 

Can we even see a pic or one of B W dog doing something?

Out of all people to try to call someone out for not posting a video...you should be the last one to do that buddy.