Would you breed a blue mal? - Page 11

Is there a precise definition of a Mal X…a standard, or is Mal X more of a breeding concept? I’m guessing the KNPV breeders are quite meticulous in their records keeping, pedigrees etc. My understanding is these dogs have not been outcrossed for several generations. And apple, can you describe a ‘shark like strike’?

They are unregistered, non FCI dogs , so no standard. If pup is fawn colored it is a Mal X and if it is brindle, it is a DS X. Pedigrees for the public are not always factual, but breeders know the real pedigrees. Shark like strike means the dog counters/pushes with an aggressive shaking of the head. Also, when there dogs hit a suit, there is a distinct thwack like sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ12WunSpS4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BLhBrrteMM

 

 

Biting a suit or a sleeve should never be a gauge on how a dog will perform on the street. They all look like rock stars on the training field. Many have the ability to stop a man’s flight, but only few have the ability to stop a man’s fight. There’s a huge difference there people. Work with dogs of that caliber, and you’ll never settle for anything less.

Iv said nothing here yet but apple if you are comparing that duch to the shark video you need your head examined. I'm amazed at what people here think between a dog chasing in prey to capture and a dog that stands it's ground with the fight coming to him is. It's ridiculous to watch some of the video to the point where I stop. You want to see what really happens to a dog when in a fight only one way tie him off on his own and let the fight come to him very few members will ever do this. I made dogs back down by just standing ther ans eye balling them no movement just presents.

GK1 asked what I meant by a shark like strike. The video simply shows the topography of what a head shaking, shark like strike looks likes. It has nothing else to do with comparing a dog to a shark. Plus, in the video with Wibo, there is no chasing as the man is sitting in a chair. I'm will to bet he could have crashed a wooden chair over Wibo's head and it would have just pissed the dog off. Your comments have zero to do with what I posted or why.

It's called a passive bite. No resemble to a shark. The rest of my comment was not directed at you. I also never said the dog was good or bad.

Hired Dog
look, dog by esprit and temper can be apt to fight the man but has insufficient physical attributes to survive (leave alone win) this fight.
maybe protection training was primitive antic but in it there were objectives, one of which was to taught dog not only to attack but have set of skills to increase dog's chances to survive and win that fight.
dogs wasn't seen as disposable tools.

emoryg
Work with dogs of that caliber, and you’ll never settle for anything less.

very true.

yogidog,
I agree that a stake out test can quickly tell you things about a dog that certain training cannot. But generally, it is very weak dogs that shut down or go into avoidance in a stake out test. And even though prey drive is the dominant drive of the Mal X's being discussed, the really good ones will have no issues whatsoever with being severely confronted while staked out. Weak dogs that might look confident, such as showing aggression behind a fence might shut down immediately when staked out because they have a false sense of confidence.

Apple not just week dogs iv seen dogs that are super strong with someone behind the lead shut down. Iv seen dogs that show great strength in the open go in to avoidance in small dark rooms iv seen dogs with serious prey drive shut down when tied off when the moment is stopped. Nerve is hidden in most circumstances. That is why tie backs in different areas at different time in different lighting different noise every time has to be different. Each time dog must be read correctly and on time. A good dog can be pushed to far to quickly if been handled by an idiot. But if u want to see nerve fight and balance this is the way. Imo breed correctly colour is as important imo as all other traits. When you start diluting the smallest things eventually it spread to other parts of the breed.