Outrageous Prices - Page 3

Mithuna, you do realize that literally every puppy bred following SV requirements for full papers has "all 62 immediate ancestors titled", right?

Yes , but how often do you find not only that ,but multiple ancestors in the EACH of the first 5 generations being BSP, WUSV, and LGA participants with the dog at 14 months old and going for under 2k? Below is part of what I posted on the WGWL thread:

 Everyone of the immediate 62 ( 5 generations) ancestors are titled. Of the 4grand parents 2 were at the BSP and LGA. Of the 8 great grand parents  3 were at the BSPand 1 at the WUSV. Of the 16 GGGrand Parents 3 went to the BSP and 3 to the WUSV. And in the 32 ancestors of the 5th generation  6 went to the BSP  5 to the WUSV and 3 to the LGA.

You find it a lot...not for that price, but plenty. If not really trained, doesn’t have really high drive, and being sold by a relatively unknown person, that’s the price the dog should go for. That dog is proof that it’s a huge risk for a breeder to hold a dog back to “see how it turns out” because a puppy has the potential to be high drive and can be sold for $1500+, an older dog like that who you know what he is, has a market value of around $2000 (I’m assuming not high drives) and so where is the value of keeping a dog an extra year? Need more information about why the dog’s asking price is what it is but I’m sure it has to do with the dog lacking training or drive and truly being a “pet” rather than a dog that would interest someone with money for some higher level work.

A lot of times people that have the ability to hold onto a dog will post it for a higher price and wait for the one person that sees the value and is willing to pay. They’ll probably get offers of the dog’s true market value, but will just keep the dog in a kennel if they can and wait for their asking price. If you need to get rid of the dog quick, you post it for it’s true value or even lower just to get it out of your home and stop spending more money on the dog.

In general...a puppy should be around $1000 and a dog 12-24 months old should be $2000+ depending on drive level and training up to that point. That would make it worthwhile for a breeder to hold back puppies and train them. The current market is skewed and inefficient, making it not worth the risk for the breeder to hold anything back.

Bavarian there's many good reasons to hold dogs back, money is not one of them. Each new line a breeding program matches, its best to hold some of the pups back for observation. Its better to have hands on experience with your line then second-hand info or misinfo. Much can be learned from the holdback with regards to next matches. For maters, your post makes perfect sense though.

A two-year-old dog priced at 2000 is a loss. I have placed older dogs for those prices but it is usually a friend, old client or someone who needs a hand up, but for sure its a financial loss for most developed countries.
 

Bigger shortage of good buyers than good dogs.

This was posted and then repeated a few times on this thread (and is brought up a lot on other threads)... So it got me thinking, What makes a 'good buyer'? All of us have opinions on what character, drives and pedigree we feel make up 'good dogs' so what are they for buyers? Especially since there is a perceived shortage of them...

I would say it’s that there aren’t enough knowledgeable buyers in the market that know that the prices people are charging for puppies are above what the dogs are worth. If more buyers would not purchase $2000+ puppies, the breeders would see that and have to lower their prices to what the market is willing to pay. As it stands, there are way too many homes willing to pay $2000+ for a puppy without questioning it and therefore the breeders have no problem charging it. Overall…good dogs are out there. Maybe no world beaters or high level competitors or LE K9s and military dogs, but there are plenty of good, stable, shepherds available for people to take home and have fun with.

And where we live, people will nickle and dime you for well bred dogs but dish out 2900 for a Doodle puppy.

Makes no sense whatsoever.

And don't get me started on all the requests for PTSD dog donations.

I guess all dogs are worth what someone will pay for them.

Often a dog is worth what the byer can be conned out of. The dog market is more crookeder than the used car market. There are lots of uneducated suckers when it comes to buying dogs.

"The dog market is more crookeder than the used car market. There are lots of uneducated suckers when it comes to buying dogs."

that sounds hilarious coming from the guy that works for Prager blah blah.


there is a non-GSD working dog org that basically sets the market price and writes the guarantee for all puppies sold within the breeder group.

profits get used for breed health research. the breed and breed brand get stronger as a result - kind of opposite to the gsd world.