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by hexe on 11 February 2011 - 03:02
In answer to the initial question...
Depends on who the human is, IMO. I could come up with a pretty lengthy list of people whose lives are worth far, far less than a dog's. Far less than an ant's life, for that matter. Child molesters, for starters.
Edited to add:
A bit of Googling finds that the tool mentioned in this particular article had a fight with his wife the night before he killed the dog, and the wife took a sedative, went to bed alone and took the dog into the bedroom with her. Then he claims the dog attacked him when he tried to join his wife in bed at 5 AM...which she slept through and he didn't tell wake her to tell her about it until hours later.
Uh, yeah, right. Oh, did I mention that the knife he used is one that "he keeps by the bed for protection"?
www.clickondetroit.com/news/26778290/detail.html
www.macombdaily.com/articles/2011/02/09/news/doc4d53653cb9570618201825.txt
My hunch is that wife is lucky to be alive, and dog took the blade that was meant for her.
Depends on who the human is, IMO. I could come up with a pretty lengthy list of people whose lives are worth far, far less than a dog's. Far less than an ant's life, for that matter. Child molesters, for starters.
Edited to add:
A bit of Googling finds that the tool mentioned in this particular article had a fight with his wife the night before he killed the dog, and the wife took a sedative, went to bed alone and took the dog into the bedroom with her. Then he claims the dog attacked him when he tried to join his wife in bed at 5 AM...which she slept through and he didn't tell wake her to tell her about it until hours later.
Uh, yeah, right. Oh, did I mention that the knife he used is one that "he keeps by the bed for protection"?
www.clickondetroit.com/news/26778290/detail.html
www.macombdaily.com/articles/2011/02/09/news/doc4d53653cb9570618201825.txt
My hunch is that wife is lucky to be alive, and dog took the blade that was meant for her.
by Red Sable on 11 February 2011 - 09:02
Well, that certainly paints things in a different light Hex.
by ramgsd on 11 February 2011 - 15:02
Hexe if your hunch is right, then yes the dog is a hero. The guy should feel the full effect of the law. If the blade was supposed to be for her but the dog got in the way, why didn't he finish the job after the dog was done in? No matter what, it's a sorry state we find the world in these days.
by RLHAR on 11 February 2011 - 16:02
I'm interested to see if alcohol plays into this in any way.
Complete assumption of course but I'm leaning towards Hexe's way of thinking.
Complete assumption of course but I'm leaning towards Hexe's way of thinking.
by jamesfountain98 on 11 February 2011 - 17:02
The title of this thread and the actual thread is somewhat misleading
The highest dog is not worth the lowest human life.I have served in the military in Iraq along side many K9 handlers and they often times have sent their dogs in to harms way for bomb detection not just for our safety but for the safety of the general population that sometimes meant us harm as well. .
Military and Police k9 handlers use their dogs to go in to harms way to help preserve their life, our lives, and the public around.
If it was a choice of sacrificing my dog to save a human life I would hope I would gladly do so. Instead of being so JUDGEMENTAL thinking I can put value on a human life.
I know everybody is not a christian, but the mindset that a dog is more valuable than a human life is contrary to my Christian values and beliefs.
The highest dog is not worth the lowest human life.I have served in the military in Iraq along side many K9 handlers and they often times have sent their dogs in to harms way for bomb detection not just for our safety but for the safety of the general population that sometimes meant us harm as well. .
Military and Police k9 handlers use their dogs to go in to harms way to help preserve their life, our lives, and the public around.
If it was a choice of sacrificing my dog to save a human life I would hope I would gladly do so. Instead of being so JUDGEMENTAL thinking I can put value on a human life.
I know everybody is not a christian, but the mindset that a dog is more valuable than a human life is contrary to my Christian values and beliefs.
by Red Sable on 11 February 2011 - 17:02
I totally agree with you James.
I would never say that this man deserved to die, however, if the dog was intervening on behalf of the wife, whom he was threatening, it didn't either. So, if this is how it went, he deserves to be charged and have some sort of punishment for his actions.
I would never say that this man deserved to die, however, if the dog was intervening on behalf of the wife, whom he was threatening, it didn't either. So, if this is how it went, he deserves to be charged and have some sort of punishment for his actions.
by eichenluft on 11 February 2011 - 18:02
"it would depend" on the situation - if my own beloved dog and a stranger were both drowning in an icy pond - would I save my own dog first? Probably so - at least if it were closer to me than the person was - if the dog was farther away, would I pass the person to get to the dog? Probably not. If it was not my own dog? again, perhaps the dog first if it was closer and needed a boost out before heading for the person - would I rescue the dog and walk away from the human? No I would not. I would try my best to save both of them - both lives would be valuable to me.
As for this story - I tend to agree with Hexe -however the scenario that keeps popping into my head isn't so much the dog taking the knife protecting the wife, but instead the husband killing the dog in front of the wife because he wanted to punish her for whatever fight they had - harming something she cared about, for revenge and out of meanness..
molly
As for this story - I tend to agree with Hexe -however the scenario that keeps popping into my head isn't so much the dog taking the knife protecting the wife, but instead the husband killing the dog in front of the wife because he wanted to punish her for whatever fight they had - harming something she cared about, for revenge and out of meanness..
molly
by OGBS on 11 February 2011 - 18:02
Funny, my Christian values tell me that I get to choose individually in each situation what I place higher value on and what I don't.
How is the question posed by the OP actually relevant?
I don't see anywhere that it says the dog's life was placed above a human life.
The man committed an act against the dog that was outside the bounds of the law in the opinion of the police who were actually there and spoke to the parties involved. The court can decide the rest.
How is the question posed by the OP actually relevant?
I don't see anywhere that it says the dog's life was placed above a human life.
The man committed an act against the dog that was outside the bounds of the law in the opinion of the police who were actually there and spoke to the parties involved. The court can decide the rest.
by Red Sable on 11 February 2011 - 18:02
"but instead the husband killing the dog in front of the wife because he wanted to punish her for whatever fight they had - harming something she cared about, for revenge and out of meanness"
That could very well be exactly what happened.
That could very well be exactly what happened.
by jamesfountain98 on 11 February 2011 - 18:02
OGBS, my initial comment stated that " The title of this thread and the actual thread is somewhat misleading"
I was replying to the title of the thread and to the poster/s who stated that it depended on the individual or situation. So I was not refering to this particular incident or the details pretaining to it but to the title of the thread.
@ Molly, I disagree. If the scenario you mentioned involved a Rescue Team, Police Force, Military, or any service group the human life woud always have priority.
I was replying to the title of the thread and to the poster/s who stated that it depended on the individual or situation. So I was not refering to this particular incident or the details pretaining to it but to the title of the thread.
@ Molly, I disagree. If the scenario you mentioned involved a Rescue Team, Police Force, Military, or any service group the human life woud always have priority.
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