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by Wolfinbok on 01 April 2010 - 21:04
Congratulations,
if you want to learn SchH tracking I can only
tell you how I learned. First I went out with some of the best dogs and
watched them track. Once I learned the basics, I started a routine of
taking my dog out at about 7:00 am in the morning to a field that was
quiet, usually a alfalfa field that has just been cut. Or an orchard with grass
around it. I really started to enjoy this time with my dog because it was very peaceful.
After the dog gets ready for his SchH lll I start taking him to areas were there will be
football games or a stadium where he can hear loud speakers, to desensitize
him. High school football games are really good. You said you were new and looking
for help so I hope this at least starts you in the right direction. Enjoy your tracking
and remember the dog has a billion Olfactory neurons in his nose, just let him use them.
if you want to learn SchH tracking I can only
tell you how I learned. First I went out with some of the best dogs and
watched them track. Once I learned the basics, I started a routine of
taking my dog out at about 7:00 am in the morning to a field that was
quiet, usually a alfalfa field that has just been cut. Or an orchard with grass
around it. I really started to enjoy this time with my dog because it was very peaceful.
After the dog gets ready for his SchH lll I start taking him to areas were there will be
football games or a stadium where he can hear loud speakers, to desensitize
him. High school football games are really good. You said you were new and looking
for help so I hope this at least starts you in the right direction. Enjoy your tracking
and remember the dog has a billion Olfactory neurons in his nose, just let him use them.
by Slamdunc on 02 April 2010 - 00:04
Hodie and Tess,
Thanks for saying Boomer's good looking and I'm funny looking. You are right, I can't argue. I always been told I was funny, didn't know it was funny looking. A $10 gas card msy not be incentive enought to enter an AKC event, but that rally stuff does looks like fun.
Wolfinbok,
A billion neurons sounds like a lot. I had always heard 220 million for a GSD compared to about 5 million for a person. But, that could have changed. I do agree tracking is a lot of fun and can be very relaxing and peaceful, when it goes well.
Jim
Thanks for saying Boomer's good looking and I'm funny looking. You are right, I can't argue. I always been told I was funny, didn't know it was funny looking. A $10 gas card msy not be incentive enought to enter an AKC event, but that rally stuff does looks like fun.
Wolfinbok,
A billion neurons sounds like a lot. I had always heard 220 million for a GSD compared to about 5 million for a person. But, that could have changed. I do agree tracking is a lot of fun and can be very relaxing and peaceful, when it goes well.
Jim
by sarabella on 02 April 2010 - 00:04
Would it be accurate to say most any of us with real working dogs ought to be able to walk into most any AKC OB event and win without trying? Isn't this normal and expected OB?
by Wolfinbok on 02 April 2010 - 00:04
Slam Dunk,
You may be right I will double check. Now days
a million does not seem like much. I am glad you also committed
on tracking there seem to be a dead silence. Tracking is an art form,
you lay the tracks, wait and start your dog. There is a Zen to it., thats
why FH has been a big deal with allot of people. They really enjoy it.
It's like therapy for you and your dog. Dogs find peace in just sniffing
things ( please no Jokes), it has a very positive effect on them.
You may be right I will double check. Now days
a million does not seem like much. I am glad you also committed
on tracking there seem to be a dead silence. Tracking is an art form,
you lay the tracks, wait and start your dog. There is a Zen to it., thats
why FH has been a big deal with allot of people. They really enjoy it.
It's like therapy for you and your dog. Dogs find peace in just sniffing
things ( please no Jokes), it has a very positive effect on them.
by VomMarischal on 02 April 2010 - 00:04
Tracking is an art form, agreed, but one that requires patience. I am embarrassed to say that tracking is the reason I am thinking of switching to PSA...agility is livelier. Please change my mind.
by Wolfinbok on 02 April 2010 - 01:04
Slam Dunk,
17600000000 Neurons, closer to 2 billion.
There are 220 million receptors, compared to humans 5 million receptor sites.
But the there are 40 million Neurons in humans that actually transmit to and from the Olfactory
receptors. Dogs can sense your moods, your energy level all kinds of things. Amazing stuff.
17600000000 Neurons, closer to 2 billion.
There are 220 million receptors, compared to humans 5 million receptor sites.
But the there are 40 million Neurons in humans that actually transmit to and from the Olfactory
receptors. Dogs can sense your moods, your energy level all kinds of things. Amazing stuff.
by Psycht on 02 April 2010 - 02:04
Sarabella - the short answer is no you are not guaranteed to clean up ;-) I have seen many people assume that since they do schutzhund they will excel in AKC obedience - some do and some don't. For one thing, the bumping/crowding that is often seen (although it is definately getting better) in schutzhund will cost you major points in AKC. Another issue is that SchH people sometimes have a hard time adjusting to a 40x50 ring when they are used to a football field for heeling. Plus the judges are right on top of you in AKC so they catch a lot more nuances that a SchH judge might not see due to field size.
With that said, if your dog is trained to do schutzhund obedience you will likely have no trouble qualifying and probably placing and if you have an exceptional SchH obedience dog then you have a good chance of cleaning up ;-)
Here is an example of a perfect Novice routine (200 score) done by Dee Dee Anderson and her golden named Dream who went on to win the NOI (National Obedience Invititational):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41lYXu27las&feature=channel
With that said, if your dog is trained to do schutzhund obedience you will likely have no trouble qualifying and probably placing and if you have an exceptional SchH obedience dog then you have a good chance of cleaning up ;-)
Here is an example of a perfect Novice routine (200 score) done by Dee Dee Anderson and her golden named Dream who went on to win the NOI (National Obedience Invititational):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41lYXu27las&feature=channel
by FHTracker on 03 April 2010 - 02:04
Psycht,
I mean this with all genuine seriousness, that was interesting to see! I can definitely see where a typical Sch trained dog might display issue with the stand and stay with a stranger approaching and touching them.
One question. I noticed the handler had her left hand locked to her body. In Sch often a handler will be dinged for this as 'handler help'. Is that not the case with AKC?
I mean this with all genuine seriousness, that was interesting to see! I can definitely see where a typical Sch trained dog might display issue with the stand and stay with a stranger approaching and touching them.
One question. I noticed the handler had her left hand locked to her body. In Sch often a handler will be dinged for this as 'handler help'. Is that not the case with AKC?
by VonIsengard on 03 April 2010 - 03:04
FH- no. You may hold your left hand in like that or you may move it naturally, however, most handlers with large dogs prefer not to, if you accidentally brush your dog this may result in a substantial deduction. In addition to the crowding, the superfast schutzhund recall that sometimes causes a bump into the handler would be another substantial deduction.
Another large difference in scoring is in AKC your dog must pass every exercise, if you blow one there is no chance that you may make points up elsewhere. Small mistakes that would lose you points in schutzhund will fail you in AKC.
I am of a mind that a well trained dog is a well trained dog and can succeed in any venue. But you must know the differences in rules and expectations, and train accordingly.
Another large difference in scoring is in AKC your dog must pass every exercise, if you blow one there is no chance that you may make points up elsewhere. Small mistakes that would lose you points in schutzhund will fail you in AKC.
I am of a mind that a well trained dog is a well trained dog and can succeed in any venue. But you must know the differences in rules and expectations, and train accordingly.
by FHTracker on 03 April 2010 - 03:04
KC,
Thank you! Those are definitely some differences and places where a high drive working line GSD would have trouble in the AKC ring.
I agree with your last statement 100% a well trained dog, one that understands the commands not just the 'routine' you'd hope could be verstile in any obedience venue.
Thank you! Those are definitely some differences and places where a high drive working line GSD would have trouble in the AKC ring.
I agree with your last statement 100% a well trained dog, one that understands the commands not just the 'routine' you'd hope could be verstile in any obedience venue.
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