OT: Wolf Watch - Page 3

The wolves didn't devour the 120 sheep..They just killed them.  That's the point.  They do kill and eat some animals.  But they also kill others just for the hell of it. 

Tomorrow I'll see about digging up some of the information that I mentioned above, but the fact speaks for itself:  The elk population is plummeting, and the wolves are thriving.  The wolf population needs to be reduced by forty percent per year in order to maintain any sort of balance, and at this point, reducing it by 75 percent or more wouldn't hurt, just to give the elk a chance at recovery.  Elk are a valuable source of meat for many species, including man.  If the wolves aren't stopped, they'll wipe out entire herds of elk...and then instead of dying a quick death from a bullet, they'll die a nice slow death of starvation.  Is that better?

No offense, but the intervention of mankind into matters like this...very sad indeed.  And I have heard that the native wolf, which is about the size of the GSD, is now extinct, thanks to mankind, and then we have the monster wolves from Canada...When will humans figure out that college degrees and all the "studying" on earth doesn't give you the right or the knowledge to take nature into your own hands?

Crys

One thing you are right about is that I don't like the elk!! The over grown meat patties destroyed my garden. They aren't afraid of people and in rutting season that is dangerous.I had a bull elk bugling outside my bedroom window.If I had a bow  i would have shot him.Have you heard them making their call....not a pleasent sound at 3am!!! Many people have lost their lives cause the elk running across the road out of no where. Elk have caused more fatalities of people then wolves have. I kinda like what Moons said  "Sadly this is not going to happen unless man becomes extinct. Not impossible." Not much use for most men anyway  Rather see them destroyed the the wolves.lol 
http://www.paysonroundup.com/search/?q=elk+collision&sortby=date&from=&to=&author=&x=38&y=25
You can read for your self about the accidents caused by the elk.

I'd just rather see folks lose their distorted views about what wolves are, and what wolves do.  There's a prolific romanticized fantasy deeply imbedded in the human consciousness that is a false representation of the harsh reality that nature provides.  And for us, as well.  Our illusions of safety and comfort will see to our demise soon enough, because those are the conditions that our misconceived ideals are born from.

The wolves didn't devour the 120 sheep..They just killed them. That's the point. They do kill and eat some animals. But they also kill others just for the hell of it.



Maybe they are teaching their young ones how to hunt. Who is man to say the wolves methods of what they do are right or wrong. Maybe it isn't what man likes but doesn't mean that the behavior of the wolf is wrong. Man doesn't know enough about them to make that call.




Tomorrow I'll see about digging up some of the information that I mentioned above, but the fact speaks for itself: The elk population is plummeting, and the wolves are thriving. The wolf population needs to be reduced by forty percent per year in order to maintain any sort of balance, and at this point, reducing it by 75 percent or more wouldn't hurt, just to give the elk a chance at recovery. Elk are a valuable source of meat for many species, including man. If the wolves aren't stopped, they'll wipe out entire herds of elk...and then instead of dying a quick death from a bullet, they'll die a nice slow death of starvation. Is that better?


Are you kidding me...the elk pop is down!! FAR from it. Come take the ones I have all through the spring -fall. I am on a river...there is elk scat all over the place and up on the way in to my place. Trust me...the elk are surviving JUST fine!!!! I don't see them being in any danger of extinction.
down river behind my place early morning.




No offense, but the intervention of mankind into matters like this...very sad indeed. And I have heard that the native wolf, which is about the size of the GSD, is now extinct, thanks to mankind, and then we have the monster wolves from Canada...When will humans figure out that college degrees and all the "studying" on earth doesn't give you the right or the knowledge to take nature into your own hands?


I don't know of any wolf being the size of a GSD.Then again many people have thought my GSDs were wolves. Maybe size has to do with food suply and space it has to roam. Like the Elephants that were on this one island and they were small cause not much food and small location to roam. A big one would have starved.(can't remember the name of the island) Anyway...man is greedy and has to control everything. That is why things get out of control. What is that saying...don't fix it if it isn't broken....things way back were fine...it is when mankind gets involved that things go wrong. It isn't just with the wolves...it is with many things...but that is another thread on another forum.
Here's food for thought....no nothing to do with elk.....what about the z Pohranicni Straze lines coming from breeding with Carpathian wolves. Wouldn't have some of the best dogs if it weren't for the wolf. Now they have become the breed of Czech Wolfdog

That was a pretty amazing picture Daryl, but it didn't look quite right to me. I opened it up in an imaging program and magnified the view---when looked at closely, you can see where the original image has been manipulated to make the wolf look much bigger, broader, and longer.

I'm in Virginia where we're now dealing with some 75-90 pound coyotes--obviously quite a different thing from the typical 35-55 pound coyotes that used to be common.

Christine
blackthornkennel.com

I've seen them and they sure weren't that big.

That's pretty big, and probably not typical.  I assure you, there's no reason to believe the image is a fake.  You're probably viewing pixel compression artifacts at the edge of the subject.  Here's a couple pics of the same govt. trapper next to a snowmobile and with a smaller specimen, somewhere around two years ago.







"what about the z Pohranicni Straze lines coming from breeding with Carpathian wolves. Wouldn't have some of the best dogs if it weren't for the wolf."

There's no wolf in zPS lines, they scrapped that project.  One of the biggest differences between wolves and dogs, is that (good) dogs will look to humans for guidance and offer their fullest cooperation, a concept wolves just can't seem to grasp.  That's the singlemost important selection criteria for a "working dog", IMO, and does not directly detract from the strength of a dog's temperament.  A dog that has the desire to work for it's handler can still be a confident and courageous animal, and not be derived from a relationship forged out of fear or bribery.


It still kills me to see the pictures of the slain wolves......they truly are a magnificent creature.

It pains me even more to see the countless litters bred and advertised here, of many dogs that will fill dumpster after dumpster when their shelter time runs out.  Dogs that would have given anything for the chance to live a cooperative life with humans.  The injustice served isn't even mildly comparable in scale.  And many of you reading this are directly responsible. 

Take a chill... ( why the remark?)........don't post the pictures if you have issues with  replies.
Many of us are not PETA, and we're not stupid either......the senseless slaughter of ANY animal is shameful.....and I'm NOT speaking of "controlled or necessary killings".       But I also find wolves,.. magnificent creatures.
And yes......some of us breed also.