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by Lief on 02 March 2010 - 22:03
While it can and does happen with other breeds Pits and Rotts are responsible for the majority of fatal attacks this was last week www.youtube.com/watch I can't help but feel the adults in these situations are lacking insight ,intelligence,common sense or all of the above
by Bhall on 02 March 2010 - 22:03
That is my point. Why would anyone in their right mind leave a small child alone with a dog? I have 2 teenage boys 14 and 16 and they are not allowed to interact with the dogs unless an adult is present. Maybe I am a little over protective but kids are kids and dogs are dogs.
by wlpool on 02 March 2010 - 23:03
I think the trick here is to TRAIN the CHILDREN before you leave them alone with the dog. I have two small girls that I let alone with the dogs. More that I trust that they are responsible and understand the rules that I gave them. They are training my dogs in ways that I can't by setting a win for the dog/puppy. Good training all the way around.
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by shostring on 02 March 2010 - 23:03
I had my rotti for 9 years and never did he show any aggresion to anything he was the best and my 2 year old granson just loved him and the rotti loved my granson and I could trust him with our lifes any dog can attack was the rottis puppys when the people got them or were they trained adults and yes the parents should have been watching the little girl and not left her with the dogs but god help this little girl what a way to die poor wee soul
by LAVK-9 on 02 March 2010 - 23:03
1doggie you brought up a good point. Dogs defend themselves in a different way them people do.They don't know to smack someone (a child) away that is bothering them. If another dog was annoying them what do they do? Bite,nip,growl bark.... What could be just a little nip or non damaging bite to another dog leaves holes in a person/child's flesh. I think it is up to the owner to either put the dog in the other room if they aren't able to attend to the child and dog or to have the dog follow the adult to the next room. No matter what breed of dog. Kids do stupid stuff to dogs and cause a bite. Then the dog has to suffer for it when that is it's only way of protecting itself. (not saying that a dog should bite a child but that it what it would do with another dog..it is it's instinct)
I have known some wonderful Rotts and Mastiffs Pitts.They aren't any harder to read then any other dog breed. It just helps to know the breed and mannerisms.
Bottom line.....don't leave a child unsupervised with a dog....PERIOD!!
I have known some wonderful Rotts and Mastiffs Pitts.They aren't any harder to read then any other dog breed. It just helps to know the breed and mannerisms.
Bottom line.....don't leave a child unsupervised with a dog....PERIOD!!
by 1doggie2 on 02 March 2010 - 23:03
wlpool, that is crazy. children are not programmed to only obey and never do anything wrong. It is so simple, if you leave the room take the dog with you, no accidents. They can show the dog how kids handle them with you in the room to monitor the "training".
by wlpool on 02 March 2010 - 23:03
No, they are not and neither are dogs. The difference is I am starting with "hand" picked raw material in my dogs. I test and train them for months before I determine that they are good candidates to be one of my in house "pets". Some less some more depending on how they come along. My children are supervised for as long as needed until I see that everyone has earned my trust and are up for the responsibility. I think it would be stupid to bring a dog home and just throw it in the mix with kids and other dogs. There is a REASON I have been successful at raising and training what I have.
Yep, I agree that it would be stupid to bring a dog home and just turn it loose on its own without supervision.
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Yep, I agree that it would be stupid to bring a dog home and just turn it loose on its own without supervision.
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by hodie on 02 March 2010 - 23:03
It was two Presa Canarios who killed the woman named Diane Whipple. I do believe that there was prison time for the two lawyers who were "taking care of" the two dogs belonging to one of their clients who was in prison.
None the less, it is just plain stupid and irresponsible to allow children to wallow all over a dog, and worse yet, you be left without direct adult supervision while a dog is present. ANY DOG and ANY BREED. Why? Because the consequences of adult stupidity and arrogance, saying it "cannot happen to me and Fido is too good a dog" are that a child is injured or, in horribly tragic cases like this one, KILLED. Those of you who post here condoning leaving children alone are foolish to the nth degree. You might get lucky and never have such an incident. Then again, you might not and the horrible pain and guilt will accompany you to your grave that it was common sense and you ignored it. Anyone with any sense would look at the annual dog bite statistics to know that in our country there are almost a million dog bites a year. Most are to children, and most of those bites are from dogs KNOWN to the family. So just because there are not lots and lots fatalities does not mean that there is too much emphasis put only on the fatalities. Frankly, there is too little emphasis placed on the information I just posted here and which is verifiable. Bites should not happen. Fatalities should NEVER happen.
NO dog of any kind should be left unattended with children. I make this crystal clear in my adoptions and if the parents don't already have that mindset, they can go elsewhere to get a dog. I trust my personal dogs too, but I NEVER, EVER would leave them for one second alone with a child. Doing so is asking for trouble. It takes a split second for an accident to happen. But too many, including some here, have no common sense.
None the less, it is just plain stupid and irresponsible to allow children to wallow all over a dog, and worse yet, you be left without direct adult supervision while a dog is present. ANY DOG and ANY BREED. Why? Because the consequences of adult stupidity and arrogance, saying it "cannot happen to me and Fido is too good a dog" are that a child is injured or, in horribly tragic cases like this one, KILLED. Those of you who post here condoning leaving children alone are foolish to the nth degree. You might get lucky and never have such an incident. Then again, you might not and the horrible pain and guilt will accompany you to your grave that it was common sense and you ignored it. Anyone with any sense would look at the annual dog bite statistics to know that in our country there are almost a million dog bites a year. Most are to children, and most of those bites are from dogs KNOWN to the family. So just because there are not lots and lots fatalities does not mean that there is too much emphasis put only on the fatalities. Frankly, there is too little emphasis placed on the information I just posted here and which is verifiable. Bites should not happen. Fatalities should NEVER happen.
NO dog of any kind should be left unattended with children. I make this crystal clear in my adoptions and if the parents don't already have that mindset, they can go elsewhere to get a dog. I trust my personal dogs too, but I NEVER, EVER would leave them for one second alone with a child. Doing so is asking for trouble. It takes a split second for an accident to happen. But too many, including some here, have no common sense.
by Jenni78 on 02 March 2010 - 23:03
Lief said: While it can and does happen with other breeds Pits and Rotts are responsible for the majority of fatal attacks this was last week www.youtube.com/watch I can't help but feel the adults in these situations are lacking insight ,intelligence,common sense or all of the above
Do you honestly think that's true??? I thought we'd had enough discussion around here lately that people had opened their eyes enough to see that often times, the breed that did it is not the breed that got blamed. How often does someone hear of a story and assume it's one or the other? And pass the story on that way, true or not? It's assumed that statements like yours are true, but it's a fact that these breeds are not responsible for the most bites and/or attacks. Perhaps the only difference in fatal bites/attacks is SIZE and STRENGTH. A Doxie, while more aggressive as a whole, is not as dangerous. Simple physics.
Did you know that NOT ONE SINGLE, HOUSEHOLD Pit Bull has been responsible for a fatal attack? Every single instance involved either multiple dogs, an outside or stray dog, or a combination of both. I'll cite my source for all you sticklers just as soon as I find it.
Why are Pits now being brought into a thread about a Rott? Kind of like when the AB mauled the little girl and w/out even reading, someone blamed a Pit. Kinda makes you wonder what the REAL statistics are, doesn't it?
Do you honestly think that's true??? I thought we'd had enough discussion around here lately that people had opened their eyes enough to see that often times, the breed that did it is not the breed that got blamed. How often does someone hear of a story and assume it's one or the other? And pass the story on that way, true or not? It's assumed that statements like yours are true, but it's a fact that these breeds are not responsible for the most bites and/or attacks. Perhaps the only difference in fatal bites/attacks is SIZE and STRENGTH. A Doxie, while more aggressive as a whole, is not as dangerous. Simple physics.
Did you know that NOT ONE SINGLE, HOUSEHOLD Pit Bull has been responsible for a fatal attack? Every single instance involved either multiple dogs, an outside or stray dog, or a combination of both. I'll cite my source for all you sticklers just as soon as I find it.
Why are Pits now being brought into a thread about a Rott? Kind of like when the AB mauled the little girl and w/out even reading, someone blamed a Pit. Kinda makes you wonder what the REAL statistics are, doesn't it?
by LAVK-9 on 02 March 2010 - 23:03
Sample of ANY breed can bite. A few weeks ago my neighbors girlfriends 3y/o daughter got bit in the face by his Lab. Most would think that a Lab wouldn't do that!! Wrong...he is a crochety old dog that has even wandered up to me(when i was alone not walking my dogs) and has growled (when i had my dogs he would go the other way)
Their friend's Akita?.Chow lets the little girl crawl all over it and so far it has been fine.BUT they learned the hard way an now supervise. It is a good thing that the bite hasn't made her fearful of dogs. (Personaly I still don't trust that Akita/Chow) All it takes is a split second.
Their friend's Akita?.Chow lets the little girl crawl all over it and so far it has been fine.BUT they learned the hard way an now supervise. It is a good thing that the bite hasn't made her fearful of dogs. (Personaly I still don't trust that Akita/Chow) All it takes is a split second.
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