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by TessJ10 on 16 June 2010 - 12:06
Absolutely not.
Don't you get it? USA has obviously lost a lot of good people and good clubs with the passage of the JA, and will lose more. However, enough people will stay, and they are the type who obviously support such a divisive rule. And, there are enough divisive, narrow-minded, intolerant people in GSDs (just look at this msg. board) that USA membership will gradually grow again with these people who will be quiet and do as they're told, and that's the kind of USA member the current leadership of USA wants.
That's if the JA is not repealed. I know that some good people have stayed in USA this year in an effort to overturn the JA.
Don't you get it? USA has obviously lost a lot of good people and good clubs with the passage of the JA, and will lose more. However, enough people will stay, and they are the type who obviously support such a divisive rule. And, there are enough divisive, narrow-minded, intolerant people in GSDs (just look at this msg. board) that USA membership will gradually grow again with these people who will be quiet and do as they're told, and that's the kind of USA member the current leadership of USA wants.
That's if the JA is not repealed. I know that some good people have stayed in USA this year in an effort to overturn the JA.
by Dog1 on 16 June 2010 - 13:06
If you read some of Equalizer's previous posts, he may have a point. Set aside all the emotion and an organization must survive financially. USA is at a crossroads. They made a decision and took a calculated risk. A risk they had a history on and made their decision.
Some members stayed and some went. Some participants stayed and some went. It all effects the bottom line. If enough members stay and the level of participation is enough to maintain the club, then who cares who leaves? Let the WDA have them all. They are not needed and not a part of USA's new vision. USA can keep what's left over and build from there. On the other hand, if their decision has impacted the finances, they will have to cut back. Time will tell. If services and/or staff are cut,,trouble ahead. Meanwhile the divide widens as we see from this thread.
The USA divide has once again been a bounty to the WDA. The WDA followed it's previous path under Wayne Davis and took the high road. Not happy being told what you can do by USA? Don't want to sign away your rights? Come take a look at us. Oh, by the way, we'll make it easier for you by expanding our organization and removing some barriers. More members, more clubs, more activity. Just wait and see how many entries the NASS has in comparison. USA had 221. I'll bet the NASS is double. Any takers?
Some members stayed and some went. Some participants stayed and some went. It all effects the bottom line. If enough members stay and the level of participation is enough to maintain the club, then who cares who leaves? Let the WDA have them all. They are not needed and not a part of USA's new vision. USA can keep what's left over and build from there. On the other hand, if their decision has impacted the finances, they will have to cut back. Time will tell. If services and/or staff are cut,,trouble ahead. Meanwhile the divide widens as we see from this thread.
The USA divide has once again been a bounty to the WDA. The WDA followed it's previous path under Wayne Davis and took the high road. Not happy being told what you can do by USA? Don't want to sign away your rights? Come take a look at us. Oh, by the way, we'll make it easier for you by expanding our organization and removing some barriers. More members, more clubs, more activity. Just wait and see how many entries the NASS has in comparison. USA had 221. I'll bet the NASS is double. Any takers?
by sunshine on 17 June 2010 - 02:06
Dog 1, I personally think the goal should be 1,000 entries for a country as large as the USA. Yes, the WDA will get more entries than the UScA. Pretty soon there will be no profit for the UScA in holding the Siegershow. Ha! Ha! With dwindling membership and not a Siegershow of any repute, who will still go there other than the "outlaws"?
I still don't understand why you, yourself were offering your services at the UScA as a helper for handling lessons?
You went? You entered no dogs? Yet, you were going to help novices in handling? What was the point of this? To communicate your plan to regain the UScA? Please explain.
I still don't understand why you, yourself were offering your services at the UScA as a helper for handling lessons?
You went? You entered no dogs? Yet, you were going to help novices in handling? What was the point of this? To communicate your plan to regain the UScA? Please explain.
by sunshine on 17 June 2010 - 02:06
Dog 1, I personally think the goal should be 1,000 entries for a country as large as the USA. Yes, the WDA will get more entries than the UScA. Pretty soon there will be no profit for the UScA in holding the Siegershow. Ha! Ha! With dwindling membership and not a Siegershow of any repute, who will still go there other than the "outlaws"?
I still don't understand why you, yourself were offering your services at the UScA as a helper for handling lessons?
You went? You entered no dogs? Yet, you were going to help novices in handling? What was the point of this? To communicate your plan to regain the UScA? Please explain.
I still don't understand why you, yourself were offering your services at the UScA as a helper for handling lessons?
You went? You entered no dogs? Yet, you were going to help novices in handling? What was the point of this? To communicate your plan to regain the UScA? Please explain.
by Mystere on 17 June 2010 - 13:06
Bump
by Dog1 on 17 June 2010 - 14:06
Hi Sunshine,
I think 1,000 entries is a little optimistic, but I will agree it would be a good goal for this country to achieve. I'm wondering what it would take to accomplish it. The larger kennels are busting at the seams to get what they can to the shows. We see a limit of around 30 at a show relatively close to home. Would the goal be to have more larger kennels fill the numbers or more individual/small kennels fill the numbers? I would think a mixture of both; similar to what we have now. A few medium kennels grow, small to grow to medium and more individuals. To accomplish this there would need to be more opportunity and involvement across the country. Both organizations would have to expand their organizations and get rid of the obstacles that it takes to enter a dog in a show. You need a lawyer to know what to fill out and how to fill it out.. I can't tell you how many, many, people are enthusiastic about the sport but are stopped cold because of the quagmire of paperwork it takes just to enter. But that's a different topic.
Why would anyone offer to help other people show their dogs? There were many new dogs listed on the signup page for practice. I thought maybe there would be some people there that would like some assistance. I think it's called sportsmanship. I have had many people help me (and continue to help me) through the years, I know you have had people help you. It's part of giving back. Let's hope its contageous.
Would I try to "communicate your plan to regain the UScA" with a few of the newer people in the breed? The newer people probably don't even realize what's going on. They are new people and don't have the history. Change will be brought about by careful planning by those that are in a position to do so. Trying to drum up support from someone that just wants to show their puppy is not the type of support that is necessary; is it? That doesn't even make sense, does it? Why would anyone think such a thing? If you see the other thread, the intentions are spelled out there. There are no secrets.
What was the point? It's a dog show. Dog shows are fun. It's one of two times a year when you can get together and see friends. Talk about German Shepherds and where the breed is going. There are judges from other countries, breeders from other countries, breeders from around the counrty. There are dogs from different blood lines in the ring and on the field. What better place to see how the breed is doing in this country. There were lots of changes to this years show. How would anyone know what they were if your wern't there to see and experience them for yourself? Where else would anyone that had an interest in German Shepherds have an opportunity to get so much information? I can't see why anyone wouldn't want to go, dog or no dog.
Changing subjects. You made a comment in your previous post; " Pretty soon there will be no profit for the UScA in holding the Siegershow. Ha! Ha! With dwindling membership and not a Siegershow of any repute, who will still go there other than the "outlaws"?" You may have picked up on something here. Can you explain your thoughts?
I think 1,000 entries is a little optimistic, but I will agree it would be a good goal for this country to achieve. I'm wondering what it would take to accomplish it. The larger kennels are busting at the seams to get what they can to the shows. We see a limit of around 30 at a show relatively close to home. Would the goal be to have more larger kennels fill the numbers or more individual/small kennels fill the numbers? I would think a mixture of both; similar to what we have now. A few medium kennels grow, small to grow to medium and more individuals. To accomplish this there would need to be more opportunity and involvement across the country. Both organizations would have to expand their organizations and get rid of the obstacles that it takes to enter a dog in a show. You need a lawyer to know what to fill out and how to fill it out.. I can't tell you how many, many, people are enthusiastic about the sport but are stopped cold because of the quagmire of paperwork it takes just to enter. But that's a different topic.
Why would anyone offer to help other people show their dogs? There were many new dogs listed on the signup page for practice. I thought maybe there would be some people there that would like some assistance. I think it's called sportsmanship. I have had many people help me (and continue to help me) through the years, I know you have had people help you. It's part of giving back. Let's hope its contageous.
Would I try to "communicate your plan to regain the UScA" with a few of the newer people in the breed? The newer people probably don't even realize what's going on. They are new people and don't have the history. Change will be brought about by careful planning by those that are in a position to do so. Trying to drum up support from someone that just wants to show their puppy is not the type of support that is necessary; is it? That doesn't even make sense, does it? Why would anyone think such a thing? If you see the other thread, the intentions are spelled out there. There are no secrets.
What was the point? It's a dog show. Dog shows are fun. It's one of two times a year when you can get together and see friends. Talk about German Shepherds and where the breed is going. There are judges from other countries, breeders from other countries, breeders from around the counrty. There are dogs from different blood lines in the ring and on the field. What better place to see how the breed is doing in this country. There were lots of changes to this years show. How would anyone know what they were if your wern't there to see and experience them for yourself? Where else would anyone that had an interest in German Shepherds have an opportunity to get so much information? I can't see why anyone wouldn't want to go, dog or no dog.
Changing subjects. You made a comment in your previous post; " Pretty soon there will be no profit for the UScA in holding the Siegershow. Ha! Ha! With dwindling membership and not a Siegershow of any repute, who will still go there other than the "outlaws"?" You may have picked up on something here. Can you explain your thoughts?
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