Puppy aggression - Page 18

I assumed he meant Department of Defence (Army ?), but I suppose it could stand for Desparate Order of the Dumb, or something similar ???

Too bad all the videos are private now. I'd love to see them.

Susie, I am just like you. I took his words at face value.

wait till you see my vid

Are we going to age much more while waiting ?

When it comes to aggression and defense in any dog I rarely if ever believe people. Most don't know what they're looking at. Many helpers and trainers just tell people their dogs are more "old school" and are more aggressive or defensive or suspicious as a reason why their obedience or even protection sucks because the dog needs constant help from a helper in order to bark or engage. Dog can't focus heel? It's just always looking for "the man" to eat. Makes people feel better when you tell them their dog is just too bad ass and "real" rather than telling them that their training is lacking. It just seems that aggression is steadily becoming a reason why a dog can't do obedience well more than anything else.

Very true. Though people have no idea what true oldschool really means. Very few have been around those true oldschool dogs, let alone met the true Legends of these oldschool dogs.

It's not just "badass" dogs, it's also dogs that can't focus anymore to begin with. We've been coming across more and more dogs that are very hectic dogs, that can't handle their own drives. These type of dogs have also a hard time to settle, they have to be constantly on the move.Personally, I don't like those type of dogs.

Barenfangs
Can you name a few bonafide old school dogs?

Korbelbach,  Maneiche, Haus Himpel, Busecker Schloss?

barenfangs, the hectic, non focussing dogs you mention are result of sportbreeding, allways seeking higher speed and preydrive, this is total opposite of behaviour you get from more civil/defence dogs

I see a lot of BS being written here in order to make ones point

if a dog is balanced and has defence, he also have defence at 4 months, someone wrote they dont, so what is a pup at 4 months in the wild going to do when cornered, give up and say OK eat me ,, really

in nature dogs NEED agression and defence to survive, now humans are turning dogs into pets or trophyhunters and decide that they dont need these qualities anymore

than there is the discussion about defence being fear based, I myself allways look in young pups if they come across something unexpected, do they back down/tail down, or do they go forward to the situation, tail up growling, and they can show hairs up in neck, no issue

many of todays sport trainers and helpers dont like and/or are unable to work with anything other than prey dogs, and to me that is fine, as they are in it for sport and sport alone

unfortunately a lot of these sport people talk bad about anything other than a prey dog and more unfortunately, if these people stood on a podium once or twice, there are tons of people who will believe them, based on their status only,

now I didnot see the videos or automaticly agree with poster, but many reactions in this topic to proove him wrong are factually incorrect,

Duke

The only reason for the comparison to the “old school” dogs is that back in the day they were allowed to have crap obedience and crap secondary work and still get V scores. Dogs wouldn’t focus heel, they’d walk next to their owner and “just do” things and still get high scores. New training methods were adopted, people started being able to get a lot more out of dogs, and the dogs with weak obedience weren’t able to compete anymore.

Aggression/defense or lack there of has become the reason why the new dogs are what they are. People ignore the fact that the training the dogs at the highest level get is head and shoulders above anything that was being done before. It’s easier on the ego for a handler/trainer to make the claim that their dog has too much aggression and “not enough prey” to have flashy obedience rather than admit that they just don’t have the ability to train it.