Breeding without Hip Certificiation - Page 6

Blitzen, you are correct about the quality of the xray. Some vets just aren't very good at xraying hips.

Blitzen Good points and yes the vet taking the xrays has to know what he is doing. One point is as breeders try to get your puppy buyers to do them and let you know the results. I know some of you already do this but the more that do the better. Health wise it is good to know status of hips even for pet homes.

I've seen some horrible hip xrays, Spook, and OFA does not always ask for retakes. I had 2 litter brother evaluted as mildy dysplastic xrayed by 2 different vets. They decided to redo both and they ended up with goods, not fairs, goods. Everyone felt the dogs were clear when they were sent off to OFA, but the film quality could have been better. One was redone by the same vet, I believe the nother was done by a different vet who was more experienced with hip xrays. It behooves all breeding GSD's to demand a well positioned and correctly exposed hip xray. I haven't seen any of the digital xrays up close and personal, but expect that they are a lot better quality. Still the dog needs to be positioned correctly.

Blitzen I agree with you too many people worry just about the parents hips. when we read a ad and see (Litter A) sirer 0/0 and mother Good we think this is great. When we read a ad and see (litter B) sirer Fair and mother a fast normal we tend to look the other way. But if all puppies from the those litters are available we would see that litter A Sirer came from 6 puppies 2 -0/0, 1-0/2, 2-1/1 and 1- 2/3 Motehr came from a litter of 4 puppies 2 good, 1 mild, and 1 serve but litter B Sirer from a litter of 9 4 excellent, 3 good 1 fair and 1 mild. Mother came from a liter of 5 puppies 4 A stamps and 1 A fast normal you would not know. This would be a great tool agaisnt HD if every breeder tested all the puppies from thier litter/ or had in their contracts let it be pet , working, or show. IMOPO this would be the only way to get HD under control. So until all pupies working, show and pets are tested from litter there is no true way of knowing.

The more knowledge you have the better and knowing all pups hips rating would help you determine to repeat the breeding or not down the road.

That's very true, EK. The only way I was able to get most of the dogs I bred xrayed was to either keep them until I could do a prelim, place them in breeding/show homes with friends or pay for it myself when they were neutered. I learned a hard lesson when 2 puppies from my second litter turned up severely dysplastic at 6 months, both had no sockets, some of the worst hips I'd ever seen. The dam was OFA good from a litter of good hips in all that were xrayed and the rest of her pedigree was strong for sound hips. However, the sire's story was far different. Although he was OFA good out of an OFA good sire and dam, he himself had at least one moderately dysplastic brother. His OFA sire had several moderate to severe littermates and his dam was dysplastic. I bred the same bitch again, this time to her half brother (that's not a crime in all breeds LOL) resulting in a litter of 11, 9 of which were xrayed good to excellent. One of those progeny produced the 100% clear litter I spoke of earlier, she was an OFA excellent. IMO the incidence of HD in SV GSD's will never be reduced significantly with the use of NZ dogs. OFA has said that the breeds with the fewer cases of HD also have the most dogs rated excellent.

DR Wiener is absolutly correct. You are a worthless idiot.

djc At least I do not breed GSD's without Hip cerfification. You cannot say the same can you? At least I don't breed my females every six months pouring out the pups asap. How many females have you breed before they were even two years old? Call me what you want but I take care of my dogs and I don't run a puppy mill. Can you say the same without lying?

To everyone else I am sorry but djc is a pycho and follows me around attacking me. She is one sick lady.

I worked for a large 'top' Showline breeder that I know bred at least one female with no hip certs. She was just over 2 years old. The reason? Money. The dog could be sold for more bred to a German VA than it could by itself.