1 Year Old Dies of Parvo - Page 3

It does not surprise me that there is a mutated strain of parvo out there. Does everyone know where parvo comes from in the first place? What we have to thank for it? Parvo is from a mutated Distemper vaccine for cats. I think we will likely see more and more of these things. Studies are showing that they are now finding 'stealth' virus's in vaccines. Anotherwards, things in vaccines there were NOT put there in the first place. In my opinion the answer is not more vaccines, but a VERY good immune system. Dr. Hamilton has talked about the distemper vaccine for dogs 'mimicking' diseases like DM, Spondylosis etc. He links these diseases to the disptemer vaccine. If one looks at history it is really not surprising. The Polio vaccine caused cancer in children at the vaccine site. Then the polio vaccine caused many cases of polio (Dr. Salk who invented this vaccine went before congress in the U.S. and stated this himself). The vaccine was then changed again to 'prevent' this. I know there are 2 sides to the vaccine issue. Bottom line is we have been overvaccinating for years with our animals and I *think* we are now paying for it.

Parvo is tough and can be picked up or tracked in from almost anywhere. As stated above the virus can live in the dirt etc for even years. Good luck.

"parvovirus was created by vaccines. This disease didn't exist prior to the 1970s. In fact, scientists tell us it was created by vaccine manufacturers who cultured the distemper vaccine on cat kidneys that were infected with feline enteritis. This cat-enteritis-diseased distemper vaccine was then injected into dogs around the world, and parvovirus reared its ugly head"

To say that parvo virus was created by vaccines shows a complete lack of understanding of viruses and how they arise and mutate. But believe what you want. From Stanford and other vet colleges: No conclusive origin of CPV is known, but it is postulated that CPV arose by natural genetic mutations of the feline panleukopenia virus (FPLV). CPV and FPLV are more than 98% similar in nucleotide and amino acid sequence, but they can be easily be distinguished from each other based on biological properties. These biological differences translate into very minor genetic differences, however, as analysis has shown that even a difference as significant as the canine host range is determined by a three or four sequence difference in the viral protein gene. CPV is an important example of virus shift in host range and is being studied as a possible model for how new viruses originate. http://www.stanford.edu/group/virus/parvo/2000/cat-dog_parvovirus.html

kharmahaus so sorry for your loss parvovius is such a dreadfull thing a friend of mine lost a hole litter [7] puppys with this a few years back it was terrible my thoughts are with you at this sad time

The view that parvos origins are from the feline panluekopenia vaccine for cats is the generally accepted view in veterinary medicine. It is in the veterinary textbook "Introduction to Immunology" by Ian Tizard as well as in an article by, Ian Tizard, BVMS, PhD Dept of Vet Microbiology & Parasitology, College of Vet Med, Texas A&M Univ, College Station,TX 77843; "Risks associated with use of live vaccines." Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association 196[11]:1851-1858 Jun 1'90.

Check the date of publication - 1990. This is not the view of any reputable scientist at this time. Further, there are very few vaccines anymore that are live virus unless attenuated. Virology has advanced far beyond this in the past 16 years or so since this was published. Viruses are ubiquitous in the environment and there are many serovars that emerge suddenly. Sometimes those serovars existed for a long time and we just did not know it. At other times, mutations occuring naturally have brought them to our attention. Many viruses are related in genetic code. That does not mean someone created a vaccine that caused parvo. Indeed, if there were no vaccines for this and other human and animal diseases, I would hate to think where the planet would be. It is exactly the fact that too many people do NOT vaccinate their children properly that is allowing a resurgence of some once almost unheard of diseases, including polio and hepatitis and whooping cough. The same is true of the animal world. Many vets report seeing diseases emerging again which have been almost eradicated, but people do not vaccinate their dog and then let it get infected and spread disease. Finally, as I have pointed out before, there is simply NO proof, NONE, ZIP, ZILCH that we have somehow compromised the health of people or animals with vaccines. Though side effects and sometimes even adverse effects do rarely occur, the world is a much better place for the study of virology, the production of vaccines, and what that has meant to the health and well being of most creatures on the planet.

"Finally, as I have pointed out before, there is simply NO proof, NONE, ZIP, ZILCH that we have somehow compromised the health of people or animals with vaccines. Though side effects and sometimes even adverse effects do rarely occur, the world is a much better place for the study of virology, the production of vaccines, and what that has meant to the health and well being of most creatures on the planet." Well said hodie.

Our dog took ill on Saturday the 14th and died Sunday the 15th. So....I am hoping I am out of the woods with the other dogs in the house (especially the pup). So far, no other dogs have shown any signs of illness. If no one else takes ill, I would think the shots given to the 1 yr old would have had to been compromised in some way...either expired or not properly refridgerated. If it was the deadly F strain that is not covered in the shots, I would think I would see something in the other dogs in the way of gastro discomfort...either some throwing up or loose stools. The puppy only had one shot when this happened and has since had another and hasnt missed a beat...she's tearing up the kitchen right now..lol. Whether F strain or not, it was confirmed parvo and I am thanking God right now she remains ok. I will feel a whole lot better in another week which will bring me to 21 days. And...I am getting ready to sell my house so soon we will be away from the contaminated yard. You can bet my next house will have nothing but kennel decking outside that can be sanitized!!

Kharmahaus, I am very sorry this happened to you. However, if you feel up to it, I would like to know more about how the parvo was diagnosed in the dog who died? You are correct that if the dog had had vaccine that did not have a particular serorvar (*strain) in it, and became ill, that one would be very nervous about the other dogs picking it up. But this is not necessarily true and there seems to be something missing to this case. For your sake and that of the other dogs, I do hope there is nothing more to come of this. It is certainly possible that the dog died of a confirmed parvo infection and that for a variety of reasons, that was not transmitted to the other dogs. I have a similar, though not as tragic case, going on now where I know of someone whose dog has come down with an infectious disease, yet the other dogs in the household are not ill. None of them probably were ever vaccinated for this particular disease. The immune system, modes of transmission, general health of the dog etc., are of real interest. There are cases where dogs are vaccinated, where nothing is wrong with the vaccine, but in fact the dog, or human does not seroconvert. It is rare. I also have a pup now who alledgedly was vaccinated by a breeder before I got her through a previous owner who has not time for the pup. The bottom line is that I am repeating the vaccinations. Why? Because I can not be certain this was done, or what was done. For my money, I will always be conservative and make sure the dog is vaccinated. Again, my heart goes out to you. Best wishes for no more tragedy and much happiness with your other dogs.