Helpers in America - Page 4

then of course you have the people that want do seminar after seminar to learn somehting new, but never do anything on the training field, just talk about all the things they've learned. Like I said before its a two way street. I'm lucky your club is great, If I don't agree they can tell me i'm being foolish, but i'm big enough to handle it. If I come thru the other side accomplishing what I set out to do, they might scratch their heads and be like "i guess I was wrong on that one". If I fail miserably, i'll have learned my lesson ask for more help, and i'll get it. They're only human I don't expect them to be perfect, we all think we're right most of the time and don't have half as open minds as we think we do, and still others have such open minds, it all falls out.

I meant to say, I'm lucky because OUR club is great, it should make more sense.

"...you have the people that want do seminar after seminar to learn somehting new, but never do anything on the training field, just talk about all the things they've learned." (zdog) Why do TDs/helpers allow people to come and only talk? I think seminars shouldn't replace existing programs, but supplement them (as has been said earlier in this thread). Isn't the purpose of being in a club to actually train? Getting fresh ideas is a good thing, and it should be clear within the club that that is the purpose of seminars, not to come back and reinvent the whole program. If someone has that idea, then there needs to be some education within the club. Is this the supposed reason some TDs/helpers won't "allow" (as if they own the club members) people to go to seminars outside their own clubs?

why is every one of your responses putting all the responsibility on the TD/Helpers in a club. Get some responsibility for yourself. Go to the seminars if you want, even if your TD says the person doing it is shit, grow a pair and stand up for yourself. Man, people are so damn whiney. No that wasn't the supposed reason, and no TD/helpers don't own anybody, and if you're that spineless that you feel you're not allowed to go to a seminar on your own dime, and time, its not really anyone's fault but your own. If you don't like your club form a new one, if you've been in that many different clubs and every TD/helper has treated you that way, then maybe it isn't them its you.

Zdog, calm down...alot of this is putting things back on the club too. Re-read... "It takes a club to train helpers" "What would motivate anyone to be a helper if no one wants their dog worked by the new guy. It's easy to bash a helper. But if they are the only one willing to step in the blind, why not pay to send them away for training? Why not reimburse him for gas? Why not pay for a sleeve cover." "An atmosphere for learning has to be created. Nothing is more frustrating than to have to repeat yourself over and over because folks are BSing instead of paying attention." "Good helpers don't come everday and they are certainly not born that way, so clubs need to do what they can to try to educated those that are seriously interested in obtaining as much real time training and/or seminar learning as they possibly can." "I think this thread shows the need for CLUB SUPPORT and TD SUPPORT" "IF the handler is the problem, how about some club support backing up the helper" "there needs to be some education within the club." See, not every reponse is putting blame on the TDs and helpers. We're not all whiners that have been in "that many" different clubs. Some of us have been in the sport for 20+ years, some have their own clubs, some of the people posting are helpers themselves, and much of this thread is actually supporting the good guys that are trying to learn. I'm not sure where all the whining is that you are reading. You're overreacting to some comments about people that run their clubs like dictators - and guess what - there ARE people like that out there, and standing up to them often means leaving the club, not just 'growing a pair', as you put it. You narrowed the thread down to one topic, when it actually covered many.

I wanted this thread to appear again because of the timing with the most recent "Helper" threads. 6 months later and nothing has changed. Kyle

But, somebody remembered the thread! Maybe something, somewhere changed for somebody.

We DO need more training helper seminars, and more people to attend them. If I thought for one minute enough helpers would come to pay for them, I would be willing to bring some of the best teaching helpers in the world here for 4-day to week-long seminars. Sadly, as Kyle said, we'd lose our butts on the expenses, largely because most of the helpers within driving distance, whether 2 yr. or 20 yr. veterans, already know it all. When I win the Super Lotto, I will bring in training helpers and top dog trainers every 3 months... JUST FOR OUR CLUB! ;) I will never understand the know-it-all mind-set. After 20 yrs. training for the sport of schutzhund, every time I leave the training field I am thinking about what I have yet to learn. Actually, our helpers are probably thinking the very same thought: How much I have yet to learn! LOL SS

Ahhh, the privaledge to stand in the blind! What does this mean to me? Perhaps to be bitten by the untrained or uncontrolled? To hope that the handler can control their own dog? Misnomer, I am the helper for the judge , not your dog! I will have a different challenge for a sch. 1 than a sch.3. I am to help the judge not your dog. Above all else I take pride in being the training helper. Why? Because we get no glory? We attend every training session, we take every long grip? We do this for the dog!

Kyle you have my respect. It is all about the dog. And above all the young ones. And yes you are there every session to protect the young ones I suspect. For the young--Bob