Pedigree,"working dog",Help REQUESTED - Page 2

Copied the following "Get rid of the Shilohs and Blues. They are NOT GSD'S. Don't even think about breeding the all white one's either. Also learn the what it means to kull a litter." Where do you get this information from?? Blues are GSD's. They are just a fault and are just as perfect in every other sense as a regular Blk/Red, solid black, a sable and etc. Every breed has faults and if we culled EVERY Fault, no one would own any dogs, NO DOG in this world is absolutely perfect. Get your facts straight before you post ridiculous comments. Yes I am a blue LOVER, I as well like Livers, so condemn me for likeing something different.

Yes I am a blue LOVER, I as well like Livers, so condemn me for likeing something different. Consider yourself officially condemmed! Where in the FCI standard do you find Blues and Livers. The Doberman went that color route. Look at them now. The experiments have been done. The dominant color in the GSD is sable. Everything else is a variation there of, except blue, liver, pink and purple. We are not talking about perfect. We are talking about allowable variations within the standard and once again your variations are not on the list. Perhaps you need to figure out where you obtained your information before questioning anyone elses knowledge. Where do you get your information from? Who are you to call your blues and livers GSD's. Have you titled any of them? Do you dare bring one of them to a schutzhund club and pull it out of its crate. Breeding the GSD in the color variations you "LOVE" is not improving the breed! Get a clue lady! Read a book or tow about the GSD. Perhaps maybe you should start with the FCI standard. Don't even get me started with the Shiloh Panda thing. Okay, I've had enough. You can't debate an obvious idiot. Kyle

I like blues and livers too... as long as they are spayed /neutered, and their breeding is never repeated again. If you don't at least TRY to breed to the standard, you are not doing the breed any favors. "Unique" or "rare" are not terms I would ever consider positive when it comes to German Shepherd Dogs. JMO Shelley

Well said Shelley.

vomveiderheiss Regardless of what you like and think is okay to breed, Kitkat stated "producing TOP DOGS is her goal", if you can't even come close to the FCI standard by choosing to breed a disqualifying fault such as an unacceptible color or grossly oversized (31 inches= 78.7 cm...26in or 65cm is the standard btw) how can you say you are comming remotely close to producing even a mediocre GSD. For most people in this breed "producing TOP DOGS" is much more than just meeting the standard. Most people in this breed strive to achieve performance/working titles with their breeding stock, some would say a "TOP DOGS" would be those who score above 270pts consistantly or those dogs who compete on a National or International level rather than those dogs who just sqeak by with a grossly lenient judge. For some it would be high placements in the showring and a VA title. Like I said she stated she wants to produce TOP DOGS, so she recieved information from Kyle on how to do that. I ain't the GSD police and likely won't change your opinion, but someone who produces blues or livers on purpose is not producing "TOP DOGS" say what they are...PETS and nothing more.

I knew when I said Blue dogs, the heat would be on. Not all people want a show dog or to get a title. Most people that come to me for a Shepherd are not remotely interested in even obtaining the papers. I live in the country, where people live country lives. I have sold several Shepherds to farmers that want herding dogs, or parents that want a loyal companion for their kids that have wonderful temperments. I have that. Not everyone is concerned about the BITEWORK of a Shepherd. My dogs have the same lines that many of your dogs have. I asked about the breeding to try to get closer to the standard, not for an attack on colors. And it is my opinion that a Blue being considered a SERIOUS fault, that is in the show ring. The Germans may have invented the german shepherd standard, but as you may recall, they also deemed Jewish People UNFIT to wander the Earth.

Kit you and Vomveid deserve each other. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing and you have proved it! "The Germans may have invented the german shepherd standard, but as you may recall, they also deemed Jewish People UNFIT to wander the Earth." You are an embarrisment. This website is based out of Germany and you had no right to make that comment. German does not equal Nazi, Russian does not equal Soviet and white American does not equal KKK. You have proven that stupid is as stupid does. You have also aided in the stereo type that country folk are stupid and ignorant. Please find another breed to destroy and leave ours alone. Kyle

Actually this website is based in Iceland...but the point remains that comparing the creation of the GSD standard to genocide committed by a totalitarian government is ridiculous and insulting.

Woops, sorry Iceland Kyle

Well, you just lost any chance whatsoever you had maybe getting help and answers here. Guess it's time for you to move on.