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Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 17 September 2020 - 12:09

Nah, not forced opinion. Ya’ll can do whatever ya’ll want. I dont have any effect what you do and Ya’ll dont have any effect on what I do.

With that Adieu! I just needed a distraction to get through these last two days.

by jettasmom on 17 September 2020 - 13:09

BE what I posted before you is exactly what I said. Sometimes some don’t read or might not understand what is written so they put their version up but it’s actually has the same meaning.

Your opinion is yours and mine is mine doesn’t mean your right and doesn’t mean I’m wrong.

Hope to hear others opinions on this topic.

by ValK on 17 September 2020 - 13:09

BE you shouldn't feel offended. i understand what did you meant it just your sentence isn't best expression of meaning.
aggression is just that - an aggression.
how dog utilizes that trait depends on many other innate factors and environmentally obtained experience, which makes dog of what that dog become.


by jillmissal on 25 September 2020 - 08:09

Have not read replies.

OP - no, I would not. The reason we have such pervasive illnesses in breeds of dogs is because of people bending over backwards to justify breeding dogs with health problems.

Dooming a future puppy to a slow death from degenerative myelopathy while at the same time dooming future buyers to the pain of watching their beloved dog endure such a death is not an option. There is no dog on the planet so exceptional that this is justified.

A dog carrying this gene needs to be neutered and taken out of the gene pool. A breeder willing to breed such a dog should be looked upon with suspicion; what else are they willing to perpetuate to make a buck? Because they sure aren't "improving the breed."

by jillmissal on 25 September 2020 - 08:09

the current DM test isn't designed for the same Degenerative Myelopathy that affects the German Shepherd breed

 

I did read this reply. This is untrue. It is the same disease. 


Rik

by Rik on 25 September 2020 - 10:09

my opinion on DM has evolved from skepticism to pretty much agreeing with your stance.

I have said before that I have never personally known a dog with DM, but maybe part of this is that is many ASL breeders are very skilled at covering up defects or maybe it just wasn't as prevalent and they somehow dodged that bullet.

there are enough tested dogs now to allow breeders to make decisions.

jmo,
Rik

by duke1965 on 25 September 2020 - 11:09

jillmissal, your post shows lack of understanding of the matter of DM, and is based on feelings rather than facts, even if breeding an affected dog(to a free) none of the offspring will ever be at risk of actually developing DM

by jillmissal on 25 September 2020 - 15:09

I have never personally known a dog with DM

 

I have,a GSD, and it's ugly to see. Awful for the handler and the dog. 

 

is based on feelings rather than facts

 

You keep saying this to people, but that doesn't make it true. It seems to be your go-to defense but sadly you're hoist on your own petard. It is a FACT that Degerative Myelopathy is the same disease in every breed of dog that has it in the gene pool. All the wishful thinking in the world doesn't change this, so it seems that your feelings are driving your rather ridiculous posts. 

 

even if breeding an affected dog(to a free) none of the offspring will ever be at risk of actually developing DM

 

This has been explained to you over and over in this thread, but I'll try again: it doesn't matter, because you are still perpetuating a gene that causes a devastating health problem. 

I'm not a GSD person so I don't even have a dog in the fight, but I see a lot of GSD people pretending that DM isn't DM to excuse breeding unhealthy dogs and it's unethical and immoral. 


by jettasmom on 25 September 2020 - 16:09

I’ll ask again please show me a dog who tested high risk and then developed DM????
Also if a litter can never get the gene when affected dog bred to a clear where are the facts to prove otherwise???
It’s already proven breeding to a clear/carrier can produce either or.

Also the only way you can prove a dog has DM is through necropsy per reading everything I can.

I am looking at the whole picture and want facts and proof.

Also how many breeders have bred bad hips elbows to normal hips elbows....Plenty. and some are affected some not. That practice I would never do.

by duke1965 on 25 September 2020 - 16:09

clearly a waist of time debating anything with you, your response isnot a response to my statement of facts, not even related, im totally not talking about, or debating its the same in various breeds, you can breed out DM in two generations, even if you start with a at risk dog, that is a fact

secondly, if you knew what you where talking about, instead of letting your feelings run free, a carrier will not cause a devastating health problem, as long as you are using one clear partner in the breeding, none of the pups will be at risk, and again, in the second generation you will have free offspring as well, making you loose the DM without loosing ANY other genetic material

facts over feelings






 


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