French Bulldog Classified - Page 2

Diamondgal pls believe me when I say that I have every sympathy with your position. Been there, got the T shirt, with coats n colours in GSDs. In our case there is less probable crossing-in of another breed somewhere to infiltrate the necessary genetics but there are still signs this had happened somewhere along the line. Our (UK) Kennel Club recently Registered an 'Isabella' GSD pup - now where did that come from [if not e.g. a 'silver' Labrador, or a Weimeraner ?]

But Kennel Clubs seem to care little about anything which would lead to them excluding income. If they are now happy to facilitate dodgy genetics (including using Working / Activity Registers to take fees for litters of labradoodles and puggles and cockerpoos - rather than just as a Register for those mongrels actually competing in some sport !) we've little likelihood of getting them to crack down on this sort of thing.

One of my bugbears for decades has been that greeders would produce large numbers of white or blue or liver GSD pups and sell them as 'rare' colours to the general public at inflated prices, and when these people collected their pups, never a word was said about the fact they were ineligible for the Show ring. The same applies for over-production of long coats, at the time when nobody took those into a Competition either. For the majority of purchasers this never mattered, they just wanted a pet they found pretty; but there were of course cases of some very disappointed owners, who had not bothered to research the breed before purchase, but then got the idea they had something special and wanted to Show it as 'a great specimen of its breed'.

Fortunately  crossing-in anything not 'of the breed' takes some complicated subterfuge to continue purebred Registration and it does not need to happen often, just to get a colour allele circulating; and funny colours in Frenchies has certainly become established already !;  so the overall damage to any breed's purity of lines probably isn't huge. Even for subsequent generations. Like I wrote earlier, main worry is that health problems may escalate a bit.

Hundmutter, you wrote" and when these people collected their pups, never a word was said about the fact they were ineligible for the Show ring. " not quite sure that's true any more. Believe if a dog is KCreg it is eligiblr to enter KC run shows but no self respecting judge would place it. If it were a superior specimen and better than all the correct coloured dogs then I believe it would be placed appropriately and ticket witheld. Used to be the breed standard/show ring, would disqualify an off colour but now they are not "banned".....anything goes!

I could be very wrong so don't quote me, lol. 

Up untill recently, I'd never really paid much attention to the 'breeders' of off colours, but I had reason to check a pedigree. Actually I didn't have a reason lol I was being nosey !. Away my investigations shocked me . I knew that off colours were being selected for but I hadn't realised the scale of it. It really makes my blood boil. These 'breeders' are not only selecting for off colours but disregarding everything else. Their 'followers' are fawning and coo cooing over these 'beauties'. Wth lol. I also noticed the explosion of long coat breeders too and on looking at the kc health checker it doesn't take long to see that a great many of the pedigrees contain off colours ! The people who buy these 'rare' puppies or even the glut of long coats available , seem to be impressed if the parents have been health tested, but don't give a toss about what's in the pedigree. Lots more to health than hips and elbows ! I actually had to stop looking because I was getting so frustrated with the kc and the people who don't give a dam . I wanted to comment on every website or facebook page I came across lol . Things will never change ... only get worse. Rant over lol

Welcome to my world, BradyBee. I made a rod for my own back by subscribing to the Breed Records Supplement - where the sheer numbers of pups produced by this 'magic circle' of coats & colours breeders shown up every quarter defies belief !  I got some quite abusive responses when I protested these 'breeding methods' on the White Shepherd forum here, oooooooh about a dozen years ago. And in the Epilepsy threds. Plus you should see some of the things being said on Facebook and elsewhere. Esp @ the moment about Frenchies' colours !  And our KC does zero about it.

MrDarcy that's an interesting point, I always thought it depended on the wording of the individual breed Standards but may be it is even looser these days; will have to study that a bit, I haven't really looked into it lately. Certainly in the (UK) context I used it, you could not show l/c GSDs or white/blue/liver ones, but how much that was prescribed by the Standard and how much it was possible but 'just not done' I'd have to check back, partly because long coats was a different issue, and so were white dogs, to the dilutes.

'Magic Circle' that's a good one. It's not just the off colour 'breeders ' that got me not under the collar lol. The long coat brigade are just as bad. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind a good long coat, but the crap that they put together is shocking. The owner of the 'stud' dog which is the sire of the pedigree that started my search, specifically states on his Champdogs page that he is ONLY available to health tested bitches. I know for a fact he's recently sired a litter with an un health tested bitch ! So misleading. Apparantely he's really an in house 'stud', to be used on her own females lol. Floppy lugs etc etc etc. Lol
Another 'breeder' exported a puppy ( liver) I think, to the USA and in return that 'breeder' sent one of theirs to the uk
They like to share it seems lol . Never in my 60 years of life have I seen an isabella gsd. Wtf is it lol a mixture of blue liver and white !! Give me strength lol
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Here's a link to Isabella GSD try not to cry ladies, lol.

https://mydogsinfo.com/dogbreeds/isabella-german-shepherd

Thank you mrdarcy lol. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. I sort of lost interest in the article when the author couldn't decide if the beasts were GSD or ALSATIANS lol then I nearly choked when the author mentioned 'The Mini Gsd ' . It's all very well the author explaining how the colour comes about lol when the quality has been left well behind lol. Yep I feel like crying now !!!

What she said. Love the offer (ad part way through) to tell us more about the "incredible" blue GSD, too. Can't help wondering if this supposedly independent information / advisory web page gets kickbacks from the sites which greeders use to sell all these crap puppies ?

Brady Bee I took to calling it a magic circle because as you have discovered, the majority of these breeders swap studs around between themselves and get brood bitches off each other to keep making sure they have the genetic coverage; they usually don't work or Show their dogs, so its a bit of a 'closed shop' that has little contact with other parts of the GSD community who go by the Standard.
You don't need all that, if you are aiming at the cute fluffy puppy market. Some are not part of it to start with, but they seem to mostly get drawn in as time goes by. Only exception is when some of them want some new blood to refresh they approach regular breeders - and some Show breeders oblige, because they don't look too hard at what studs thay are hiring out to which bitches. (It may well be going that way in Fr. Bulldogs too ...)

Yep, I did notice the odd infusion of GSL just to refresh the mix lol. Even the odd infusion of Workingline blood, but I'm afraid it does nothing to improve the recipe lol. It seems the most important factor to these 'breeder' and their buyers, is that the parents have a 'straight back ' . Nothing else matters as long as it's not one of those 'frog dogs' !!! Oh and it's a bonus if the dog barks at the postman lol .

I have a white currently; I don't have any paperwork on him, dunno WHO bred him, & he's not a long-coat - but you can just tell from the way he is built that he's a product of these 'straight back' pet dog people. Fortunately he isn't windy like some. He's a perfectly nice dog for a companion. I'm sure a lot of these Frenchies are like that too. So pet people are satisfied, as long as there aren't health problems etc. Me, I recognise he isn't the sharpest knife in the box, but at my age & state of decrepitude, a low-drive, low-energy GSD means no more effort than I want to contribute, so he suits me fine.

But I have the knowledge and the experience and have had the opportunities - so I know what I'm dealing with. Trouble is most of these newbies, particularly pandemic panic buyers, don't.