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by Dodie on 31 December 2009 - 23:12
Lindsy,
Welcome! I think that everybody has the right to their opinions. Only you know what you are capable of. I think that with you getting training done earlier in the dogs lives is a good thing and with your husband having his training is also very good. I mean look at the dog whisper Cesar., he has more than just 2 dogs all in the same area. They don't seem to have the problems. It is all in the energy that we pretray to them. I think he is on the right track. Good luck again and welcome. I only hope to hear good things from you. Just staring the positive thinking right from the beginning. I only have one GSD because number 1 that is all I could afford and 2.. I feel that is all I could handle. Plus I also have 2 cats, 4 birds and a bearded dragon. So, I'm good!
Welcome! I think that everybody has the right to their opinions. Only you know what you are capable of. I think that with you getting training done earlier in the dogs lives is a good thing and with your husband having his training is also very good. I mean look at the dog whisper Cesar., he has more than just 2 dogs all in the same area. They don't seem to have the problems. It is all in the energy that we pretray to them. I think he is on the right track. Good luck again and welcome. I only hope to hear good things from you. Just staring the positive thinking right from the beginning. I only have one GSD because number 1 that is all I could afford and 2.. I feel that is all I could handle. Plus I also have 2 cats, 4 birds and a bearded dragon. So, I'm good!
by CrysBuck25 on 01 January 2010 - 00:01
I thought I would weigh in here...
I would have to agree that having two dogs, the same gender, same litter, at the same time, can be a recipe for disaster...Many people here have seen horror play out before their eyes, or have had to rehome one of the dogs when they have had siblings. Some have two males or two females that cannot be in the same space without trying to kill each other simply because they hate each other.
That said, it's not impossible to raise two dogs together, that are the same gender, without having hell on your hands. I have Misty, who's a year old and dominant natured, and I have my blind rescue Oakley, who is eight months old and more submissive.
That can be a recipe for disaster, even though we did not get the two dogs together and they are not siblings. But what I have found is that if I am the leader that I should be, and they both know that I am the leader, the incidence of spats is much lower than those that I have observed between female dogs owned by...relatives of mine...who scoff at the idea of being a pack leader and being the boss.
They are dogs, and they do things differently than we do. If we just ignore the spats and let them do what they do because they are dogs, all hell can break loose and most likely will, unless the dogs are kept separate at all times. I work with my two separately and together, and if there is even the slightest spat between the two of them, I'm in the middle so fast their heads are spinning. I do not tolerate any aggression from either of my dogs, towards each other, not over toys, not over food, not over me. I am the boss, not either of them.
When I first brought Oakley home, Misty went off the deep end, trying to attack this interloper that came into her territory, as she is and has always been extremely dominant, even as an eight week old pup. I rigidly controlled all interactions between the two of them, usually putting Misty into a down and making her stay while Oakley wandered around and sniffed her...Misty is a nervous dog, by virtue of her breed, if nothing else...Border Collie and Australian Shepherd. She's very high strung.
Even now, I still monitor all interactions between the two dogs, and between them and any other dogs that they come into contact with, but there have never been any major issues. A few minor spats, dealt with immediately, and the offender put in a down stay until they settle down and are no longer keyed up. I watch the energy of the dogs. The most important things are to exercise each dog separately, train from a young age in basic obedience, and make sure they bond with you, not each other.
I am speaking completely from a pet standpoint, not from a protection training or Schutzhund standpoint, where the corrections for any aggression whatsoever might not be a good thing. I'm speaking from the angle of having a border cross and a blind GSD and two little girls, 2 and 5.
Crys
I would have to agree that having two dogs, the same gender, same litter, at the same time, can be a recipe for disaster...Many people here have seen horror play out before their eyes, or have had to rehome one of the dogs when they have had siblings. Some have two males or two females that cannot be in the same space without trying to kill each other simply because they hate each other.
That said, it's not impossible to raise two dogs together, that are the same gender, without having hell on your hands. I have Misty, who's a year old and dominant natured, and I have my blind rescue Oakley, who is eight months old and more submissive.
That can be a recipe for disaster, even though we did not get the two dogs together and they are not siblings. But what I have found is that if I am the leader that I should be, and they both know that I am the leader, the incidence of spats is much lower than those that I have observed between female dogs owned by...relatives of mine...who scoff at the idea of being a pack leader and being the boss.
They are dogs, and they do things differently than we do. If we just ignore the spats and let them do what they do because they are dogs, all hell can break loose and most likely will, unless the dogs are kept separate at all times. I work with my two separately and together, and if there is even the slightest spat between the two of them, I'm in the middle so fast their heads are spinning. I do not tolerate any aggression from either of my dogs, towards each other, not over toys, not over food, not over me. I am the boss, not either of them.
When I first brought Oakley home, Misty went off the deep end, trying to attack this interloper that came into her territory, as she is and has always been extremely dominant, even as an eight week old pup. I rigidly controlled all interactions between the two of them, usually putting Misty into a down and making her stay while Oakley wandered around and sniffed her...Misty is a nervous dog, by virtue of her breed, if nothing else...Border Collie and Australian Shepherd. She's very high strung.
Even now, I still monitor all interactions between the two dogs, and between them and any other dogs that they come into contact with, but there have never been any major issues. A few minor spats, dealt with immediately, and the offender put in a down stay until they settle down and are no longer keyed up. I watch the energy of the dogs. The most important things are to exercise each dog separately, train from a young age in basic obedience, and make sure they bond with you, not each other.
I am speaking completely from a pet standpoint, not from a protection training or Schutzhund standpoint, where the corrections for any aggression whatsoever might not be a good thing. I'm speaking from the angle of having a border cross and a blind GSD and two little girls, 2 and 5.
Crys
by CrysBuck25 on 01 January 2010 - 00:01
Another point I wanted to make...
Invest in two crates from the beginning, and use them. Having a dog that is crate trained from the beginning is a lot easier to live with. With two pups, it's going to be a lot more than having one...If one is getting into trouble, the other will too, just like kids.
Good luck. It sounds as if you have already gotten your new pups, so I wish you the best of luck. You are aware that training is critical, and for that, I am grateful. Always remember that training and reinforcement is key, and most problems can be fixed.
Crys
Invest in two crates from the beginning, and use them. Having a dog that is crate trained from the beginning is a lot easier to live with. With two pups, it's going to be a lot more than having one...If one is getting into trouble, the other will too, just like kids.
Good luck. It sounds as if you have already gotten your new pups, so I wish you the best of luck. You are aware that training is critical, and for that, I am grateful. Always remember that training and reinforcement is key, and most problems can be fixed.
Crys
by 1doggie2 on 01 January 2010 - 05:01
Congrats on your new additions. Very brave of you to come back and tell us. It is not that this can not be done, just most of the time with new owners, it ends up with one of the dogs at a later date getting rehomed. There are a lot of members here that will give sound advise if you feel you need it. Rules from the begining will go along way. Also, I am not trying to scare you, just good sound advise, I would talk to someone about safe ways to break up dog fights. You may need that skill for your safety and the dogs, even little spats can be easier to handle with a little knowledge. With all of the trainers over the years I never thought to acquire that skill until this board and dicussions about ways to step in. So the next trainer I was involved with I made sure he worked with me on this. I am very gald I did.
by Lindsey on 04 January 2010 - 12:01
does anyone know how i can post pictures on this forum. I can't seem to find the correct spot. Thanks!
by JRANSOM on 04 January 2010 - 13:01
Lindsey,
Click the mountain w/ sun icon
then click upload
then click browse
then pick the pictures you want
then when the picture shows up in the box change the size by changing the numbers on the left. Usually 300 or 400 is good.
Click the mountain w/ sun icon
then click upload
then click browse
then pick the pictures you want
then when the picture shows up in the box change the size by changing the numbers on the left. Usually 300 or 400 is good.
by CrzyGSD on 04 January 2010 - 14:01
Hi Lindsey,
First i would like to say GOOD LUCK lol. Two males in the same house without an experienced handler can get ugly. I have 3 intact males that run together but under my supervision.
Second, that breeder is an A-HOLE. Who would take a clients dog and put them in that situation unsupervised. Not even unsupervised like he was in the house, the guy LEFT the property. Friggin idiot. And yes he is giving you the pups so you don't take legal action on him. He shouldn't be breeding.
Mark
www.kampkanine.com
www.ultimatekanine.com
First i would like to say GOOD LUCK lol. Two males in the same house without an experienced handler can get ugly. I have 3 intact males that run together but under my supervision.
Second, that breeder is an A-HOLE. Who would take a clients dog and put them in that situation unsupervised. Not even unsupervised like he was in the house, the guy LEFT the property. Friggin idiot. And yes he is giving you the pups so you don't take legal action on him. He shouldn't be breeding.
Mark
www.kampkanine.com
www.ultimatekanine.com
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