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by Shtal on 29 January 2012 - 00:01
carlin wrote: ONE WHO SHED HIS BLOOD FOR HIM. I pity you.
Let me explain something, when Mikhail Gorbachev made contract agreement with Ronald Reagan to let Christians come to United States, the agreement was ONLY made to allow people to live in United States territory, the agreement was never meant for people to live in White House of the United States.
King James Version John 14:2
In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
King James Version 2 Corinthians 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
Any person who does wicked things in his life and at the end of his life - he ask God for forgiveness from all his heart, God will forgive him and save him by letting this person to live on his (God's) territory in heaven, but it does not mean he will be in the Kingdom of God (White house) where God sits on throne, you would have to qualify for such privilege to be next to God and see his glory all the time.
Not every person who is already saved will enter the kingdom of God.
You can have a living faith in salvation and at the same time have a DEAD FAITH IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
Because salvation in faith has their own deeds and salvation in Kingdom also has their own deeds and you could have deeds for salvation but may not have deeds to enter the kingdom of God.
This will show you the DIFFERENCE between salvation and the kingdom of God.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
King James Version Romans 10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
King James Version 2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
King James Version Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
King James Version Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 25:34-36
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Salvation you receive as a gift but the kingdom you earn by your deeds and also spending your personal money to feed, give drink, to dress and etc to any human who needs help for survival.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version 1 Corinthians 5:1-5
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Hebrews 12:16-17
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. 17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
King James Version Ephesians 5:5
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
From these scriptures it is clear that (fornication) fornicated person can be saved, but the letter to Hebrews and Ephesians, we see that the (fornication) fornicated person will not have an inheritance in the kingdom of God.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version 1 Corinthians 1:4-8
I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
King James Version 1 Corinthians 3:3
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
If in Corinthians church - sinner had to be betray (deliver) to Satan in order for him (this person) to be saved, then it is clear that other church members get saved without any penalties despite their many flaws. Paul did NOT worried (cared) about their salvation that much - as compare what he did with the fornicator "this person".
Quarrels and disagreements did not prevented them for their salvation, but it did prevented the entrance of the kingdom of God.
King James Version Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Jude 1:23
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
King James Version 1 Corinthians 3:12-15
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
King James Version Matthew 18:3
And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
King James Version Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Acts 13:47-49
For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. 49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
You can (could) get saved without sorrows, but to enter the kingdom of God without sorrows - you cannot (Not Possible)...
Thank you for reading!!!
Let me explain something, when Mikhail Gorbachev made contract agreement with Ronald Reagan to let Christians come to United States, the agreement was ONLY made to allow people to live in United States territory, the agreement was never meant for people to live in White House of the United States.
King James Version John 14:2
In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
King James Version 2 Corinthians 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
Any person who does wicked things in his life and at the end of his life - he ask God for forgiveness from all his heart, God will forgive him and save him by letting this person to live on his (God's) territory in heaven, but it does not mean he will be in the Kingdom of God (White house) where God sits on throne, you would have to qualify for such privilege to be next to God and see his glory all the time.
Not every person who is already saved will enter the kingdom of God.
You can have a living faith in salvation and at the same time have a DEAD FAITH IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
Because salvation in faith has their own deeds and salvation in Kingdom also has their own deeds and you could have deeds for salvation but may not have deeds to enter the kingdom of God.
This will show you the DIFFERENCE between salvation and the kingdom of God.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
King James Version Romans 10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
King James Version 2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
King James Version Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
King James Version Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 25:34-36
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Salvation you receive as a gift but the kingdom you earn by your deeds and also spending your personal money to feed, give drink, to dress and etc to any human who needs help for survival.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version 1 Corinthians 5:1-5
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Hebrews 12:16-17
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. 17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
King James Version Ephesians 5:5
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
From these scriptures it is clear that (fornication) fornicated person can be saved, but the letter to Hebrews and Ephesians, we see that the (fornication) fornicated person will not have an inheritance in the kingdom of God.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version 1 Corinthians 1:4-8
I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
King James Version 1 Corinthians 3:3
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
If in Corinthians church - sinner had to be betray (deliver) to Satan in order for him (this person) to be saved, then it is clear that other church members get saved without any penalties despite their many flaws. Paul did NOT worried (cared) about their salvation that much - as compare what he did with the fornicator "this person".
Quarrels and disagreements did not prevented them for their salvation, but it did prevented the entrance of the kingdom of God.
King James Version Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Jude 1:23
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
King James Version 1 Corinthians 3:12-15
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
King James Version Matthew 18:3
And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
King James Version Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Acts 13:47-49
For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. 49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
You can (could) get saved without sorrows, but to enter the kingdom of God without sorrows - you cannot (Not Possible)...
Thank you for reading!!!
by Carlin on 29 January 2012 - 00:01
It is evident that you are only concerned about yourself, and your own right standing with God. Unfortunately for you, that isn't the gospel message at all. Jesus spoke to a man like that, the guy claimed to be the most upstanding citizen ever, holding to every part of the law of Moses. He expected when he asked, for Jesus to pat him on the back and say go job. Jesus looked in his selfish heart and the guy left in tears. It's not about you shtal, get over yourself.
by Carlin on 29 January 2012 - 00:01
Ohhhhhh, wait, this is the same guy who comes to a GSD forum to tell us we're all idiots because we won't validate the breeding of his 150lb dog. Right, goodnight shtal.
by Shtal on 29 January 2012 - 00:01
Your problem with me that I said I don't care about GSD, I didn't said I don't care about his soul going to hell - I wish everybody could be saved, but I didn't care if he is not going to listen.
Shtal.
Shtal.
by Shtal on 29 January 2012 - 00:01
Carlin
You haven't reborn yet, I pity for you.
P.S. My dog is not 150 pounds and you broke the rule talking about dogs on OFF-TOPIC section.
Shtal.
You haven't reborn yet, I pity for you.
P.S. My dog is not 150 pounds and you broke the rule talking about dogs on OFF-TOPIC section.
Shtal.
by yellowrose of Texas on 29 January 2012 - 00:01
I agree with you , GSD, that it is MANS GREED.
Man is destroying man
GOD knows man is selfish, self centered and will destroy.
This world we live in is the Devils play ground. When men play the Devils games , the result is not pretty or to GODS liking.
Man is the blame for what we see and hear..GOD set the rules, Man chose not to FOLLOW>
We do not live in the old law of the BIBLE times of MOSES, we live in the age of Grace and under the BLood of the LAMB already slain,,which was JESUS.
WE do not have to be a part of the ugly , hate and crime of today, but we see it and know it is here
and it does effect us in our living and our way of life. BUT seperate yourself from it and seek the place of safe keeping and use knowledge to keep you and your family smart and safe.> GOD gave us this earth and everything in it to use while we live , but we must use it like it is suppose to be used. NOT destroy it with man made ideas. MAN thinks hate, lies and pleasure are better so man decides.
GOD is not the author of it , MAN is. MAN is the wicked and the vile that is talked about from the beginning of time...THE one who disobeys is MAN..
NO life is perfect nor all the time like Roses and sweet smelling savor , but it is UP on the lMountain and then down in the valley but with that fear and suffering you look back up and you will find the hand of GOD that will take you out of it. IF you listen and ask and find HIM, he will safely take you out of it. AT HIS time not yours. NOT all prayers are answered. SOMETIME it is for our own learning that GOD is not always the quickest to give us it all. SOME Of what man asks is not needed nor is necessary... THE path is long and hard...it is hard to be one of GODS children and to live LOVE every day and every minute and every hour. VERY HARD HARD HARD>
Carlin is correct. NOT every prayer will be heard..SOME never get above the roof top of the building they are surrendered in or above the highline wires of the space rendered.
The reason is because they are not offered in accord with GODS divine will/ a prayer from a heart of accusation, neglect of mercy, stubborness, self indulgence, indifference, sin, instability and not being humble will certainly cause a prayer to never get to GOD. or be heard by HIM.
You have to sow your seed in tears and it will reap joy. Gal 6:8 tells of our reward to sow in the spirit not the flesh
yr
Man is destroying man
GOD knows man is selfish, self centered and will destroy.
This world we live in is the Devils play ground. When men play the Devils games , the result is not pretty or to GODS liking.
Man is the blame for what we see and hear..GOD set the rules, Man chose not to FOLLOW>
We do not live in the old law of the BIBLE times of MOSES, we live in the age of Grace and under the BLood of the LAMB already slain,,which was JESUS.
WE do not have to be a part of the ugly , hate and crime of today, but we see it and know it is here
and it does effect us in our living and our way of life. BUT seperate yourself from it and seek the place of safe keeping and use knowledge to keep you and your family smart and safe.> GOD gave us this earth and everything in it to use while we live , but we must use it like it is suppose to be used. NOT destroy it with man made ideas. MAN thinks hate, lies and pleasure are better so man decides.
GOD is not the author of it , MAN is. MAN is the wicked and the vile that is talked about from the beginning of time...THE one who disobeys is MAN..
NO life is perfect nor all the time like Roses and sweet smelling savor , but it is UP on the lMountain and then down in the valley but with that fear and suffering you look back up and you will find the hand of GOD that will take you out of it. IF you listen and ask and find HIM, he will safely take you out of it. AT HIS time not yours. NOT all prayers are answered. SOMETIME it is for our own learning that GOD is not always the quickest to give us it all. SOME Of what man asks is not needed nor is necessary... THE path is long and hard...it is hard to be one of GODS children and to live LOVE every day and every minute and every hour. VERY HARD HARD HARD>
Carlin is correct. NOT every prayer will be heard..SOME never get above the roof top of the building they are surrendered in or above the highline wires of the space rendered.
The reason is because they are not offered in accord with GODS divine will/ a prayer from a heart of accusation, neglect of mercy, stubborness, self indulgence, indifference, sin, instability and not being humble will certainly cause a prayer to never get to GOD. or be heard by HIM.
You have to sow your seed in tears and it will reap joy. Gal 6:8 tells of our reward to sow in the spirit not the flesh
yr
by GSD Admin on 29 January 2012 - 00:01
You can talk dogs in passing, no threads generally about dogs.
GSDadmin
Shtal,
Why are you so worried about my soul? People who have unfounded worries about things out of their control should be very careful they are not projecting their own insecurities/doubts onto others.
Please do not worry about my soul, I have a very very old soul and I will be just fine.
GSDnonadmin
GSDadmin
Shtal,
Why are you so worried about my soul? People who have unfounded worries about things out of their control should be very careful they are not projecting their own insecurities/doubts onto others.
Please do not worry about my soul, I have a very very old soul and I will be just fine.
GSDnonadmin
by gouda on 29 January 2012 - 01:01
carlin wrote
Gouda, you need to take a deep breath, and look in the mirror. Mark the tape; ANYONE or ANYTHING can quote scripture. What though is in your heart towards these? If it's not the absolute compassion of Christ then it's your own agenda in your own strength. Don't count their brazeness toward you as feather in your cap persecution; we don't even know what that looks like unless you're somewhere in Nigeria or the Sudan. Be careful you do not end up the resounding gong Paul speaks of, if you haven't already. Also, for your own good, go read Jude before you get your butt handed to you.
MY REPLY
The Epistle of Jude is one of my favorites,would you like to discuss the Epistle of Jude?
I would love to.
The Contents and purpose. Jude wrote this letter to a group of Christians who were dear tio him and who were being led astray by false teachers. He writes to urge them to fight for the truth v.3 These false teachers had even rejected the authority of Christ v.4. God would judge them just as He judged those who were rebellious of old vv.5-7,14,15 Jude described their pride,self centeredness,and sexual immorality. They were out to get what they could for themselves by anymeans vv.8-13. Jude concludes with instuctions on how to deal with these teachers vv.17-23 and a hym of praise to the God who is able to keep them from falling vv.24,25.
I dont have any feathers in my cap,neither do I want any.
Now carlin hand my but to me.
Have you really ever studies the Epistle of Jude?
gouda
Gouda, you need to take a deep breath, and look in the mirror. Mark the tape; ANYONE or ANYTHING can quote scripture. What though is in your heart towards these? If it's not the absolute compassion of Christ then it's your own agenda in your own strength. Don't count their brazeness toward you as feather in your cap persecution; we don't even know what that looks like unless you're somewhere in Nigeria or the Sudan. Be careful you do not end up the resounding gong Paul speaks of, if you haven't already. Also, for your own good, go read Jude before you get your butt handed to you.
MY REPLY
The Epistle of Jude is one of my favorites,would you like to discuss the Epistle of Jude?
I would love to.
The Contents and purpose. Jude wrote this letter to a group of Christians who were dear tio him and who were being led astray by false teachers. He writes to urge them to fight for the truth v.3 These false teachers had even rejected the authority of Christ v.4. God would judge them just as He judged those who were rebellious of old vv.5-7,14,15 Jude described their pride,self centeredness,and sexual immorality. They were out to get what they could for themselves by anymeans vv.8-13. Jude concludes with instuctions on how to deal with these teachers vv.17-23 and a hym of praise to the God who is able to keep them from falling vv.24,25.
I dont have any feathers in my cap,neither do I want any.
Now carlin hand my but to me.
Have you really ever studies the Epistle of Jude?
gouda
by Shtal on 29 January 2012 - 02:01
Sorry GSD,
But I do care about your salvation,
God Bless,
Shtal.
But I do care about your salvation,
God Bless,
Shtal.
by GSD Admin on 29 January 2012 - 02:01
Shtal,
Don't bother. My salvation is NOYB and please MYOB and don't worry about me.
Don't bother. My salvation is NOYB and please MYOB and don't worry about me.
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