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k9sar I am so sad to hear about the loss of your hero.  Or should I say "our" hero, for he gave his life for OUR country.  Thank you from the bottom of my heart for what you and your partner did during the horrible aftermath of the attack on our country.

You said: lifeisbeautiful:  Well, well, finally got around to answering my question.  On no, wait.  My mistake.  You didn't answer it.............

Now, you are being disingenuous. I informed you privately sooner that I could not respond because the thread where the discussion started was locked.

As far as not answering your question – you obviously cannot relate to the idea that some children are raised in a way that they just would not raise their hand to a parent. To use an expression that was in vogue in Olde Englande –  "it is all a matter of breeding". However to put it in lingo that you MAY understand it has to do with family background, the way one was raised, one’s education, the friends you and your children keep, the example parents set for their children, etc. 

Your post is more revealing than you realize. I expressed pride that my children are well-educated, high achieving, well-balanced individuals who any parent would be proud to call their own. You, on the other hand, are proud that you have produced Rambo clones – and you express resentment that my children having worked hard and done well are now in a position to earn a substantial income!! All you have to say is that "Cheney and Bush have done exactly as your children have done.  College and then chase the almighty dollar."

You would have done far better to raise your children, educate them at the best colleges they had the ability to gain entrance and broaden their horizons so that they could then have the option to pursue whatever goal they had in mind. Such a goal might included serving in the armed forces.

If my children had been raised by you they would most likely never have gone to college. But yes, they would all have ended up being caricatures of Rambo. See, it has less to do with genetic makeup and more to do with “nurturing”. My children are not racists – but if my children were brought up by racists, they would likely end up inculcating those attitudes.

Do Right, what do you think your children would choose as your epitaph when you pass on? How about "Here's lies a man who taught us to kick ass"? 

Lifeisbeautiful - It's a lost cause darlin, you make too much sense and that's like Kryptonite to certain types of folks. You mines well be speaking Greek to a donkey. Don't be surprised when the Head Ass returns and only brays in reply...

lifeisbeautiful wrote:

Do Right, what do you think your children would choose as your epitaph when you pass on? How about "Here's lies a man who taught us to kick ass"? 

You should thank people like Do Right and others who were raised to kick ass and to teach others to kick ass.  They are the reason you are able to sit here on this board and call people a racist, and have the debate of "nature vs nurture", which by the way still has not been scientifically proven one way or another.

You may not like the way Do Right thinks and what he teaches his children, but the fact is we need people with a kick ass and take names mentallity in our country.  Who else will stand up for those that do not have the ability to stand up for themselves.

I recently lost a family member in Iraq, he was only 19 years old.  He was my sons uncle and they were very close.  Now my 9 year old son says he hates Iraqi Insurgents because they killed his Uncle.  Does that make him a racist?  I dont think so.  He now wants to grow up and serve like so many of his family members did.  I teach my son that he needs to grow up and kick ass!

I can only hope that he puts on my Tombstone "Here lies the man that gave me the courage and taught me to kick ass"

Kickin ass is how this country got so great, the problem with it now is more and more touchy feely people dont want us to kick ass anymore, the reality is there are two kinds of people in this world.  Those that kick ass, and those that get there asses kicked.  The funny thing is you sit here and talk about Do Right and I bet he is the type of person who would fight for you and get his ass kicked if necessary just to protect your very right to call him a racist.

Shawn

 Glen Elk, ever watch the “Jay Walking” segment on the Jay Leno show? It is where basic questions are asked and some Americans show their abysmal ignorance. Well, that is what some of Do Right’s asinine comments bring to mind. A couple of examples:

Do Right says, in response to another poster – who questioned whether Reagan deserves the credit for the collapse of the Soviet Union because it was inevitable anyway and was a matter of time – that he (Do Right) gives Reagan credit because the collapse occurred during his watch and so he deserves the credit. Sounds good – except that the collapse occurred in 1991 when Bush 41 was president, about three years after Reagan left office. So based on Do right’s rationale, the credit belongs not to Reagan but to his successor!

Do Right also expresses his disgust at Clinton for looking us in the eye and saying that he “did not have sex with that woman” when Clinton knew full well that he was lying. However, not a peep out of him about the lies – or at the least how we were misled – about WMD and Saddam Hussein being an imminent threat. Never mind that we have lost over 3700 of our sons and daughters and tens of thousands are maimed and wounded and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who have been killed and wounded.

If I had to choose between a president who lies about sex and one who is less than truthful and starts a war putting the lives of our troops at risk, I’d choose the former every time.

Shawn, I never called particular individual a racist. I don't know Do right from Adam and so who am I to call him a racist? I said if my children were raised by racists, it would result most likely in my children being racist in their attitudes.

Re nature vs nurture, let us agree to disagree as to the extent which is dominant in relation to the behavior.

I have no problem with a kick ass attitude - yes, we do need it. But we need to be selective in terms of who we choose to "kick ass". I fully supported our invasion of Afghanistan because they harbored terrorists who attacked us. I don't support the invasion of Iraq because that country had nothing to do with 9/11 and Saddam Hussein was contained at the time of the invasion.

As far as the death of your son's uncle, it is tragic and I certainly don't blame your young son for hating the insurgents who killed him. But who put him in harm's way and was it justified? We cannot go invading countries left and right and expect not to see some reaction from the indigenous people. If we were occupied, you can be sure that we would rise against the invaders.

Occupation of any country usually leads to insurgencies. It takes years to fight an insurgency and  requires overwhelming force to put it down. In the case of Iraq we have not only an occupation but also a civil war and we are caught in the middle. I think Petraeus, who is acknowledged as an expert in counter-insurgency tactics said it takes 10 years on average and require a 9:1 ratio of troops versus the insurgents. Check out what happened in Algeria - it took years and finally the French left because the cost was too high. We all know what happened in the case of Vietnam. Shinseki said we would need 300,000 troops before we invaded Iraq  to keep things under control - and he was retired because he did not go with the program.

Just want to make one thing clear, when I said that about Reagan, I knew I was oversimplifying what happened. The fall of the Communist regime was very complex, took place over a number of years, and involved a lot of behind-the-scenes diplomacy.  Reagan was one of the key players.  Pope John Paul II was another.

War is what happens when diplomacy fails. It is a horrible thing, and should always be a last resort. My uncle was shot down over Nazi Germany in WWII, and endured 2 1/2 years in a POW camp. He came back a very changed, deeply scarred man. 

The losses suffered by both sides in a war only deepen the hatred, and fuel the conflict. Yet, sometimes, as with Hitler, war is the only answer.

Canadian troops are on the ground in Afghanistan, and I support them.  But I also echo lifeisbeautiful's question about the Saudis. The regime in that country is moving farther and farther towards extremism. Women are sequestered in their homes behind walls and opaque glass, and can only go out in the company of a male member of their family. Westerners are being carefully watched, and some have been arrested on trumped-up charges, and brutally interrogated. If I were Bush, I'd be doing everything in my power to lessen Americas' dependence on Saudi Arabia's oil, because if push comes to shove, I believe they will side with other Muslim countries.

I have but one question for the liberals on this board who are complaining about this war;  If what we're doing in Iraq is soooo bad why then do the vast majority of soldiers sign up for additonal tours????  Could it be that we're possibly not getting the facts about what's going on in Iraq.  Could itbe that the liberal media wants a Democrat in office so bad that they are afraid to report the truth????  Personally, I think it's because the mainstream media have stopped reporting the NEWS and only report their "version" (opinion) of the news. 

Dear Do Right,

WTF are you thinking scaring the civilians like this??? You and I both know they are cowering and weak, or they stand in the door and say you might get by me, but you might not.

There are people out there like you are talking about that to our thought processes should be chemically neutered they are so dumb. I have seen these people, had to take classes from these people, and cannot believe they exist, if it were not for the fact that I have seen them with my own eyes.

I saw one continue to berate someone for not believing the same things that he did. Then I saw him on the ground with his teeth kicked out, still calling the guy names, and wondering why he got beat. Then he got beat again, and, well, not a lot of talking. These are the people that think that everyone should be able to say anything to anyone and it has to be tolerated.

These are the people that do not advocate a spanking when appropriate, whose children are in juvinal hall or worse, yet they did nothing wrong, as they did not punish their children with spanking. We all know that some people like dogs need more than a verbal correction, and some do well with just the verbal correction.

These are also the kinds of people whose belief processes in the face of reality, were a lot like Germans in the 30's. Despite reality proving otherwise, they still go along with the doctrine.

We need these kinds of people, otherwise we would just have to make fun of each other, and how boring is that?????

From lifeisbeautifool:  "I informed you privately sooner that I could not respond because the thread where the discussion started was locked."

Answer:  Yes, you did.  I also informed you during that same private conversation that since it was locked, I was immediately starting another thread (this one) and told you the title of it and requested that you respond with your answer there.  I guess you chose to ignore that little fact and STILL have not answered the question..  Again, it is because you just friggin don't know what to do.

From lifeisbeautifool: "You would have done far better to raise your children, educate them at the best colleges they had the ability to gain entrance and broaden their horizons so that they could then have the option to pursue whatever goal they had in mind. Such a goal might included serving in the armed forces.

If my children had been raised by you they would most likely never have gone to college. But yes, they would all have ended up being caricatures of Rambo. See, it has less to do with genetic makeup and more to do with “nurturing”. My children are not racists – but if my children were brought up by racists, they would likely end up inculcating those attitudes."

Answer:  First off, all three of my children attended college.  The two oldest have graduated and have their degrees and the youngest is currently in college.  Secondly, if you would have read some of my previous posts, you would know that approximately last month, I wrote on this site that I have one daughter-in-law that is Puerto Rican (making my only grandchild have Puerto Rican)(he is the apple of my eye)and one daughter-in-law that is black (African-American if you like).   BOOYA idiot.

Finally:  to answer your question (even though after several days of me asking you to answer a parenting question, that you just can't seem to find the correct answer to in your own intellect or on the net (cause I know you have looked  )), my children would most likely put these words on my headstone.

"Here lies a good father, a good husband, a good man, and one good cop"

Geesh, this is just too friggin easy.  Someone give me a challenge out there, would ya please.

"I see brain dead liberals.  They are everywhere, and they don't even know that they are brain dead"