Any news on the Bartmess case? - Page 19

Well, JB's presence can still be temporary, right, there must be a trial looming? It is possible that there will be some real jail time, this time, a repeat offense that escalated into elder abuse? Aren't all internet postings of JB great sources that can be used against her?

Prager, I had a thought, and believe I understand you-- like everyone else, has built their character on personal truths, very like the balancing act of bones, Ibrahim posted this morning. It can not be remade without disturbing the rest, and that takes time, and is hard for everyone to see how it can ever be done, maybe even hardest for you. 

JIM, no I would not sell her one of my dogs!! I would not let her into my house. I think that there is something wrong with person doing what she has done and I believe that she needs to be put away for long time.
I hope that she goes to prison and dies there for what she has done.
 
That has nothing to do with letting her or anybody to speak.
Hans

 

Someone above 
have said: and she has found a home on your website 
Oh now I understand why are you so upset. You think that Forum and websites is a HOME! Do you actually  believe that Internet is a REAL world? Well it is not.
My forum is no home. It is public  Forum in the cyberspace. Bunch of digital impulses 011010001...like that.

 Let me use your example with a drug addict. If dug addict comes to the public pharmacy  he can not be banned if he behaves by rules.  Forum is a public place, just like public pharmacy. If Jenice would like to come to my  Home and talk here, then I assure you,  she would not be allowed.  
And no Jim I would not sell her a dog.  Only abnormal person  who lives through their computer, believes  that forum is a home as someone  have stated and Internet is a real world. Look out of the window that is the real world.
Window = real,  Internet = not real.

Definitions:
home  (hm)

n.
1. A place where one lives; a residence.
2. The physical structure within which one lives, such as a house or apartment.

Above  are the definitions which I subscribe to as far as "home" goes. I do not live on Internet in virtual reality treating it as real and to me Internet is not a physical structure.

Here is another definition:

Virtual:
2. Computing: Future or operation that does not exist but appears to be so. 

Guys there is a real world out there . In that real world is my house and I would not let her come to it.


Here is another definition.
Forum fo·rum (fôrm, fr-) n. pl. fo·rums also fo·ra (fôr, fr)
1. a. The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
b. A public meeting place for open discussion.
c. A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.

Every forum has some rules. One of my rules are that you will not get banned if you staying within the rules of decency and will not endanger country by reveling secrets, will not revel private info ( like SSN or address and thus endangering person's security) or I do not allow people to make ad hominem attacks by saying you are too fat or stupid and so on. I have said that I will not ban anyone if they stay within these rules.

Thus I keep my word and I will not ban anyone and will not tell anyone on my public forum what to say as long as they are doing it within those simple rules.

Prager Hans

I guess the question is: Hans would you sell an adult dog or puppies to Janice? How would you feel if you found out she had one of your dogs now that you know all about the abuse? Would you ban her from buying a puppy?

Again with the hypothetical questions which really get us nowhere.  But I'll play this game.

Jim,

You help police departments and I am sure you have quite a number of LEO's that you call "friends". If the KKK had a rally in downtown Norfolk, and your LEO friends worked crowd control for them...wouldn't they be supporting them?  I mean they are your friends and they are making sure the KKK can speak their "beliefs".  What if they used dogs that you trained and sold to them to perform that function?  Wouldn't you be supporting the KKK and what they are saying?  Your "friends" are letting them speak and dogs that you trained and sold are there helping as well.  Many can view this as your support of it all. 

You speak of morals and values and integrity to Hans so where would yours be in this situation?


Again Jim, I am from Southern Va just like you.  I have lived in 9 states and southern VA is probably one of the most racist places I have lived in.  LEO's out there are horrible with racial profiling and harrassment.  Let me ask you, before you train and sell dogs to the departments, do you check them out??  I mean these are dogs that could be used on innocent people as well as the guilty.  Do you see which departments have the most number of civilian complaints?  Do you check out and see who are the officers who will be handling these dogs?  Do your morals and ethics come into play then to make sure who has your dog lives up to your morals and ethics? 

Or do you just sell dogs?

What I don't like in this thread is that the attitude is, "if you don't agree with us, then your wrong and your a horrible person."
No longer can folks agree to disagree but now it has become that if you don't agree then you are a messed up indiviidual.

No where did Hans say he agreed with Janice, liked her, condoned her actions, etc.  But in many eyes, that isn't good enough for you all.
SP said some awful stuff to LF but that went completely ignored by many of you.  Maybe that isn't important to you?

People say "guilty by association".  What does that mean?  B/c I have 1 conversation with someone, I am now their associate/we are best friends that hang out?

Instead of saying, "u know Hans I dont agree with you at all but we have spoken for a long time on this board and I still respect you but we won't see eye to eye on this."  People now say, "I was always wrong about you, since you don't agree with me your wrong, etc...etc."  All that does is make me think that you never really respected that person from the beginning.  That tells me more about you than anything else.  You all act like Hans is abusing dogs with Janice and everything else.  Really??

Ace,

The truth always hurts. What I said is the truth, dispute any one part of it. You can't so don't bother as this is my last post on this forum.

I didn't slam her and call her 8 different names, what about the things she said to me? Or are those overlooked by your hypocrisy?

Ace59,

IMO, your question to Jim is not fair even though it is a very good question. It seems you don't understand or know that Jim IS a LEO and a K9 officer. It's about like asking what a soldier would do if ordered to do something.

Maybe come up with a similar question along those lines?

Mobjack, exactly. Jim works for a department, his bosses call the shots, he works where they tell him to work and does his job to policy, or quits or gets fired. Be it a rock concert or a KKK ralley, it's all in a days work. He may enjoy the rock concert or wish he had ear plugs in, his presence isn't support, it is his duty.

Hans is the boss, Hans is calling his own shots on his own board. He is OK with letting convicted animal abusers use his forum as  "home." Believe me, this nutjob has her own fantasy world in her head. Of course she is going to lie about conditions at home, how many dogs she has and so on. She is going to paint herself in a better light, she has already done so by stating she only had a couple of dogs previously and here we find out she had over a dozen in horrid conditions again. A forum is a "safe haven" she uses to spin her lies and deceit. She succesfully pulled the wool over a few eyes here, why would we think she not be capable of doing so again? Giving her that "freedom" and opportunity is disgusting in my eyes.

Hans is neither the U.S. Govt which is corrupt and twisted anyway nor an entity that falls under Govt guidelines. He is free to make his own rules to an extent and let who and what on his forum. Some have child pornography others have convicted animal abusers and condone those sorts. Giving these sorts a place to hangout, speak freely and mingle with unsuspecting civilians is just not a good idea period. It is only a matter of time before someone doesn't google Janice Bartmess.

I'm so sorry, Prager, I forgot that you speak English as your second language and may not be familiar with idiom. Let me just say it more plainly: She feels comfortable on your website. OK?

{edit to add: I think it's typical that Hans' definition came from the same place I found it...but he omitted the inconvenient parts}

home  (hm)
n.
1. A place where one lives; a residence.
2. The physical structure within which one lives, such as a house or apartment.
3. A dwelling place together with the family or social unit that occupies it; a household.
4.
a. An environment offering security and happiness.
b. A valued place regarded as a refuge or place of origin.
5. The place, such as a country or town, where one was born or has lived for a long period.
6. The native habitat, as of a plant or animal.
7. The place where something is discovered, founded, developed, or promoted; a source.
8. A headquarters; a home base.
9.
a. Baseball Home plate.
b. Games Home base.
10. An institution where people are cared for: a home for the elderly.
11. Computer Science
a. The starting position of the cursor on a text-based computer display, usually in the upper left corner of the screen.
b. A starting position within a computer application, such as the beginning of a line, file, or screen or the top of a chart or list.