Any news on the Bartmess case? - Page 18

Hodie may well have been the first person to ID Bartmess behind her screen name of DDR-DSH, but I believe the first person to actually make a post exposing Bartmess's past was someone who went by the screen name of LaPorte, and it was on the Boban v Grauen v Monstab thread sueincc mentioned here earlier. LaPorte's query as to whether DDR-DSH was the same Janice Bartmess (Janice introduced herself by name very early in that thread) who'd been convicted of abusing and neglecting 64 GSDs in 1999 opened the floodgates for Janice to begin her explanations as to how it most of the charges were exaggerated, and she was only at fault for a very small part of any real problems.  sueincc posted her about her disgust with Bartmess in this thread as well, and was immediately taken to task for doing so because the 'important' topic of the thread was that Boban dog, not Bartmess' history of animal abuse. 

I have no idea who LaPorte is/was, nor whether he/she is even active here any longer...but it was that person's post that first featured a link to an account of the what was found when the police arrived at Bartmess' place, what the charges were, and what the outcome was.

For those who missed that thread, I suggest you take a stroll down memory lane and read the entire thing--it paints Janice's picture clearer than anything anyone else can say, because it's Janice's own words that do the painting.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=77690&pagen=8

I will make few thinks clear here and then I am hopefully done.
 1.I will not ban anyone from my forum who behaves according to basic rules. I believe that all people should be able to talk. You believe in censorship. I don't. I hate censorship,.. it sucks. It is number one stepping stone to human  suffering all over the world. First thing communist did was to capture media and submitted them to censorship and so did Nazis. Yes that was the first step. No it is not me who does not get it it, it  is you. I have seen what censorship does.   I lived in it and no if you defend it then you do not have a clue and  it is you who does not get it. I will allow anybody to talk.  Your (my too) country (USA) was founded on that freedom and you will just say well that freedom is OK here, but not there. And where are you going to draw the line ? Right at Hodie? I have had many disagreements with her, but to ban her to talk? Listen to your self people!  And you are saying that you like her!

2. I am not empowering anyone. Contrary to what some of you believe, people are not stupid, they can pass judgement on their own. You can and you did. Right?!They do not need you to tell them what to read. Just about whole world knows what Janice  have done. They do not need nanny of censorship to tell them that they can not, must not and are not  alowed to hear what she has to say. Where do you draw the line? At Janice or at Hodie or maybe at  some of your opinions?  "Well you are not alowed to listen to this and are alowed to listen only to that because I agree with it."  Sounds awful,..to me anyway it does.  That was what Nazis and communist practiced and I will not under no circumstance practiced it. 
(Baugh  I have changed your statements to eliminate personal attacks and profanities(?) as I remember now only so vaguely. That was within the rules of the forum. If I am  wrong about it, I do apologize. But now even so you are still upset about me changing the inappropriate words you are  upset and want me o ban someone else? Someone who did not violate any rules? How peculiar!? )  

3. I do not associate with Janice, defend her or agree with any of her despicable acts and I do not like her. But I will let her talk.  I do not agree with many, and many I do not like, some I hate, and some I will outright loath,   but I will let them talk.  It hurts to listen to bad people to talk indeed,  but to ban them will hurt more. For sake of clarity and understanding we must allow people to talk.  Because once you ban that one and this one and this book and then that book, all  for greater good I mind you,  than they will ban you one day too and worse. You can take it to the bank. Thus I do not ban anyone. It is what I call Freedom....important part of it anyway.  And yes, contrary to your perception,  I do get it. I have heard those  arguments before.  For greater good,
 for the better  country, for more money,  for peace, for that or this and it always leads to hell. Yes I have seen it. You can ridicule me saying this anyway you want. This forum is nothing, nothing, in comparison  to what I have seen.   But it is a mirror of reality out there. And I have to say if you believe in censorship of people, then  it is sad reflection. 

 4. Rules of forum are based on the owner of it, who has right to impose any rules. People then have the freedom to  join or not. When I have started my forum I have said that I will not ban anyone except based on some basic rules.  Some believe in censorship and some do not . I do not.
Hans

Cool. I think I'll sign up for your forum.

Hans, all I can say to you at this point is that you've managed to surprise me in your choices, and you are not the person I thought you to be, which is disappointing.  You've made it clear that so long as he didn't discuss the horrific medical experimentation he did on those being held captive, you'd allow Josef Mengele to chat on your forum about GSD history. 

It is not far-fetched to say that some day, you may be aghast at learning that somehow Janice Bartmess managed to get her hands on a dog that came from your kennel, and that the poor creature joined the myriad of others familiar with the neglect and abuse she provides those in her care.

None so blind as those who will not see   Let one talk on one hand  and to agree with one on the other are two different things. Censorship bad - Freedom good.   How hard is that? Hans

Criminal conviction = loss of freedom. But she is out on the street, like the Nazi war criminal she is, and she has found a home on your website. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

None so blind as he who will not see.

Hexe and VM, excellent posts. I guess the question is: Hans would you sell an adult dog or puppies to Janice? How would you feel if you found out she had one of your dogs now that you know all about the abuse? Would you ban her from buying a puppy?

Sueincc : please contact Hodie.