Registration falsified? - Page 3

It sure was, Ellie May, and if I knew for sure that breeder didn't subscribe to this board, I could tell you a lot more LOL.

Ellie_May - I have to chuckle a little, because my name is Elizabeth, but my first post to this forum was last night (or maybe the wee hours of this morning - 1AM or so)! So, I'm not sure who the other Elizabeth might be. I have visited other forums on the internet, but this one had the most professional breeders, so I thought it a good place to get solid advice. That's certainly been true... I don't know where to start with all of the good information everyone has given! I really hate this whole thing. It would be much, much easier if we were talking about an inanimate object, and not a beloved dog. I never expected anything like this, and certainly wasn't at all prepared for it. I THOUGHT I had all my ducks in a row when I purchased this dog, but "live and learn" and "buyer beware" definitely come to mind now. I certainly think I have enough to go to the associations and organizations mentioned. I have a contract, I have a cancelled check, I have some correspondence from the breeder prior to purchase. So, here we go.... hoping for the best. I'll let the forum know how it all comes out. Elizabeth

Sorry Ellie_May - I see now it was Sunshine who asked about "Elizabeth!" Anyway, thanks to each of you for your input. It is all appreciated and will be put to good use.

Good luck, Elizabeth, I am confident you will get your dog registered, it will just take time.

I'm a breeder in registration "hell" at the moment with one litter. I bought the pregnant dam in Germany, she required an extension for her LBZ so all the paperwork was held up at the SV for 5-6 months. When I finally got that paperwork, the pedigree for the sire was missing. Got that faxed to me after two weeks of waiting and sent everything off to the AKC. The bitch was originally born in the U.S. and registered with the AKC, then sold back to the breeder who moved her to Germany. Unfortunately, the breeder never bothered to record THAT transfer with the AKC so it looks to the AKC like I'm trying to register ownership of a dog that the sellers didn't have a right to sell. Now all of my original paperwork is with the AKC and I'm trying to get the last owners to fax over signed statements regarding the sale. That's going nowhere fast. And all of this has to be done before the litter can be registered. It's been almost a YEAR now. To make matters even worse, a few months ago, a client with one of the pups from the litter called AKC to find out why he wasn't getting his paperwork on the dog. Why he didn't call me, I don't know. I could have told him that I had JUST received the paperwork from Germany, had waited for the pedigree on the sire and then bundled it all up and sent it to AKC. Instead, AKC told him that in all liklihood, his puppy was not out of that sire and dam, that I probably didn't own the dam and that he had probably been bilked royally. UGHHHHH. And of course, the person he was talking to, didn't even bother to check with the foundation stock department to find out if they had any paperwork on that particular bitch or her litter. Double UGHHHHH. So, I have a female from that litter that I'm desparately trying to get registered for her show career, a VERY unhappy client that I'm trying to make amends to, and two other pups from the litter waiting on their paperwork but owners not fussing about it. Through it all, I've tried to be very upfront with the clients about what was going on, but my name is still mud. This is one of the reasons that I'm so against public slander of breeders. YES, there ARE some bad breeders "out there", there are also some "bad clients" (and I'm NOT implying that my client is in ANY way a bad client) and there are "bad circumstances". When one upset person is telling the 'story', not all sides are going to be equally represented. He could rightfully have come to this site and publicly named me a scam artist and nothing I could have said or done would have explained the situation or erased the damage to my name and my kennel. Once the bell is rung, it can't be unrung. Meanwhile, I'm wandering around in the haze... when all I really wanted to do was incorporate a fabulous bloodline into my kennel. And I've paid dearly for it. JDN - US

Janis, IMO the difference between a "bad" breeder and one like yourself is that the bad one has no concerns about the buyer and does nothing to help solve any problems. They fail to return phone calls or emails and when confronted face-to-face, they try to wiggle out of accepting any accountability by saying the husband (or wife or kids or housekeeper) deleted the messages and never told them about the contacts. Frankly I had to physically track down my first breeder at a Schutzhund trial to get any satisfaction as far as the registation went as well as to discuss a number of health issues my dog was experiencing even as a puppy. Of course my dog was the first ever bred by her that had allergies and autoimmune diseases and if I were to ask her today, I'd expect to hear he was the first ever to have died from lymphosarcoma as well. A little due dilligence and I have discovered others with dogs from the same breeder that have suffered from the same diseases. This from a fairly popular AKC judge and a supposed friend? I agree that issuing damning posts against a breeder is a slippery slope. Sometimes the negativity will be the direct result of a misunderstanding or a disagreement over one thing or the other. Sort of like the people who send off dysplastic xrays to OFA as revenge against the breeder knowing the results will become a matter of public record. Personally, I would never name the breeder of my dog on any internet list and am very careful about to whom I would reveal her identity. Too bad, but it's the way the dog world works and it's buyer beware or buyer get screwed more times than not. I hope your situation get resolved to your satisfaction; I can imagine how you must feel. I had a similar thing happen and it's not fun.

Janis, I agree with Blitzen, at least you have kept in contact with the client and kept them informed of the situation. In my book, that's worth all the difference in the world. When a breeder will not return emails or phone calls, lies to you and others, claims to follow SV guidelines and then does not when it is convienent for them, then they are not worth doing business with. It' just unfortunate that these kinds of people are in business. There are two sides to all stories. It is important to research both before coming to an educated conclusion. Good luck and I'm sure everything will work it self out for you.

Janis, your right, you can not unring the bell, but after taking the minute it took to read your post explaining the problem I would buy from you tomorrow.It is the people who knowingly screw people over and continue to do so, you are clearly not that type person and anybody who can read can see that right away.......We are never going to have a 100% track record no matter how hard we try,,,the more you put out there the greater your chances of putting out something bad or pissing somebody off.....

Hey Folks Blitzen should know all the answers to this one for he is known to hold papers on litters not his.??? The Breeder has one year to produce papers to each puppy to be AKC registered. The AKC has no repsonsiblity to regisiter any puppy or dog unless signed by the Breeder or Seller. If they do not do this and u get a paper from the AKC stating they cannot register your litter or dog/puppy, u have 90 days to submit from the Breeder his signature, if he does not do this the AKC does nothing. But, you do have the option of going through certain circumstances. Now, I do not know exactly what this incurs, but as I understood once they help out in getting hold of the so callled Breeder to sign, if he/she does not then your just out.........period. our AKC does not call out from their phones to any one person only call ins. They could care less about you getting papers. If all breeders did their homework and got them in on time, all would have papers. Their are some dirt dumb dumbs that breed for money and do not care or maybe do not even have AKC papers on some of the mess of dogs. The AKC does not take shit or cares about shit, this is our problem as Breeders or you as a breeder also. There is time limits to register a litter, then it nearly doubles, until it is no longer eligible for. When I have a litter I send it in within a week to make sure all pups live and count heads, then remit a check and walla, soon I get my litter registration for papers for all pups to give to each. I do happen also to know a certain person in customer service, so nobody had better screw with me and to throw back to the SV, whem importing they send all papers on top crate to copy and send with your foreign application and fee along with photos, etc. That does take a period of time to check your record. Also, DNA takes some time. If you have a good record with AKC, it does not take long for papers to come. Call customer service at: 919=233-9767 from 8:30 to5:00 Eastern time p.m. and ask for certain circumstances for help, keep trying and be persistant in asking for help and it will work out for you if u have mom and dads papers or numbers. jill

Also, it does not matter how far apart you both live your entitled to those papers and you will get them or report him and get an attorney as I told my relative to do to get papers on a litter a so called Breeder is holding. This is not aloud, when u sign and fill out the paper work the litter or pup./ dog is yours. Make sure if it came from SV it has a Bescheinigung or this is like AKC transfer or your hung and this is most hard to achieve and cost some 25.00 to get done which is cheap if u value your litter/ dog or puppy. You also want the Dorzucht-Leistungszucht-Ahnentafel pink papers to copy to send to AKC or they will not even take time to read your letter. Your entitled to these papers from this breeder, if you know he has a site on line, visit him kindly and remind him. if he continues to ignore get an attorney to send him a letter of what will happen if he continures to do this to you. This can be settled with an attorney with AKC for this wakens them up also. They do not care unless you persist after them I know this for a fact for I know Dennis B Spring President and Chief Ex. Officer. Get his attention that you need help with this. That your dog is worthless without papers and that you insist on them. Best and formost is to pursue this so called Breeder and let him know your going to press charges and do it. Do not bullshit him, do it now or ASAP. It will only cost a few bucks for you and in the end him more. He is a crook whomever he be to do this to you, go after him, we need to shut down quit a number of crooks that pull this and more or worse. I intend to watch and work with a certain person to stop this nonsense of this wonderful German Bred Shepherd I love so much. I will stop at nothing to catch a monster lying about something to gain a buck or cheat a human for a buck. I am on the prile. ##^^**++~~~